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So, you think that the same people who couldn’t be bothered to vote are suddenly going to organize themselves and go on strike? What makes you think this will happen?
It doesn’t have to be everyone. I think I saw somewhere that the number just has to be like 3-6%
Most places I have worked expect to have a few people out on any day.
Even a 10% cut back across the board wouldn’t mean a lot, especially if other workers were willing to scab for overtime.
Good point, but a general strike is far more than just not working:
If people had put a tenth of that amount of work in, we would have had Bernie as the Dem nominee in 2020 and 2024.
I see nothing to make me think that my fellow citizens are going to organize themselves.
Sadly as people, we often don’t see what’s necessary, or don’t want to inconvenience ourselves, until it’s absolutely necessary, or often too late. Someone else will always take care of it before it’s a problem I have to deal with right?
The owners would last 10 days, especially if the duration was announced ahead of time. Maybe a general strike that had no end date, once it went 3 months or so, would have the desired effect.
Going Luigi on a bunch of them would be faster, more effective, with stronger effects that lasted longer. Probably fewer total deaths.
No, 10 days is way more than enough, it’s even overkill.
If the full country, all workers, stopped for one (1) day, the billionaire elite would loose their shit.
Because they would instantly know that they lost control of the narrative, and that the people realized that it’s them who have the elite by the balls, not the other way around, and they’d come begging to the table.
Americans aren’t at that stage yet, but there’s a chance that this cabinet and their incompetence will finally go too far and break the camels back.
I think their point is you can’t just commit for only 10 days. It might take less than 10 days, but if that’s your limit, they might try and tough it out.
Exactly. They’d see 10 days and go “okay I can hunker down and outlast it.” But a general strike with no designated end? They’d capitulate after only a few days. Giving them a timeline only allows them to see the light at the end of the tunnel.
Kidney stones don’t suck because they hurt; The pain is similar to a bad muscle cramp. Bad, but not unbearable. They suck so much because you don’t know how long they’re going to hurt for. It could be a day, it could be two weeks, it could be a month, and there’s no light at the end of the tunnel until you know it’s passed.
nah. the guy luigi killed was replaced instantly. i don’t think they even cancelled that meeting he was going to.
it was effective to give them a good scare and brought a little bit of class consciousness to the people but it fundamentally wont change things.
Our true power comes from mitochondria which is the power house of the cell. In this house we respect biology.
And when the mitochondria rebel against the tyranny of the nucleus?
We can’t get people to vote. There’s no way we’re getting a general strike
Many people cannot afford to strike
Many people cannot afford to not strike. Thousands of workers whose jobs depend on federal funding are uncertain about their livelihood. The coming rise in prices due to tariff nonsense will devastate working-class families.
Those people cannot afford not to strike
The cynic in me says there’s a big overlap between the unemployed and the unrepresented, so to speak.
There’s a reason why for the longest time there was a lot of vagrancy (still are) and loitering laws. Was so that the unemployed and homeless couldnt have a voice without making themselves a target
“getting”? It’s a basic democratic right?.. You are a democracy, right? You bombed all those countries in the name of it…
I tried organizing a board game night with 4 people. Literally impossible.
The most difficult part of every Dungeons and Dragons campaign is getting five working adults in the same room at the same time.
OP is not wrong, but both are important.
If the billionaires were not concerned by the potential threat to their existence posed by democracy, they would not feel so motivated to destroy it.
Democratic government is among the most powerful tools that can be wielded by the working class against the capitalists.
I would like to know what this mythical democratic government exists alongside capitalism. As long as we have a society that’s dominated by capitalism and capitalists, there is no such thing as a democratic representative government.
I know this is just splitting hairs but for brief periods of time democratic principles did coexist with a capitalist system. For example, the post-WWII economic and civil rights booms existed inside of a capitalist system. It’s just that they can’t coexist for very long because they’re based on competing ideologies. Plus if it takes a world war to accomplish a brief respite in the class struggle it’s a very costly coexistence.
No it didnt lmao
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Be prepared! A general strike is scheduled for Mayday 2028, with UAW and CTU.
SAVE AND PLAN WHAT YOU CAN!
So that you can strike yourself, and so that you can help your neighbors, your coworkers, your comrades strike!
We’ve got 3 more years to prepare for ~10 critical days. If we are all serious about it and spread the word, and are truly prepared for the event, our demands and thus our conditions will improve greatly!
It is up to us.
Do we choose to accept the working situation we have become entangled in, or are we willing to sacrifice for something better?
2028 is far too late. Climate, forced deportation, and widening inequality will have all of us so weak and poor we won’t even survive the 10 days due to malnutrition.
That and it gives them three fucking years to prepare for our strike. If the rich do a pump and dump and crash the economy before we do then we’re the ones who get fucked. It also gives them time to prepare the national guard and military which might have clearance to murder Americans domestically by then.
The sooner the better!
In 2028. The fuck? Now, my person. Now!
Planning it for further out gives people opportunity to organize and save for missing 10+ days of paychecks. It does feel like if we wait that long though we’ll be in a hopeless situation. Maybe organizing smaller general strikes like state or city wide in the meantime would help prepare and buy time for the big one
At the very least, take the political cycle and midterms into consideration, otherwise what’s the point?
The timing has to do with major union contracts expiring for renegotiation iirc. There are a few really big ones set for the same time which gives a good opportunity for coordinated bargaining across industries
Coordinating with unions 👍 Waiting three years 👎
Random people posting “General Strike Now!” on social media has been happening for years and nothing ever comes from it. A coordinated action like this, asking people to risk their jobs and go without pay for a period of time, is not going to happen overnight, especially when most people have zero experience with strikes. It’s more important to take the time to do it right so that it has a higher chance of success than to rush into it. This is particularly important as this strike has the potential to serve as a “proof of concept” further down the line. Collective action is always an uphill battle, and for it to succeed requires careful planning, preparation, and patience.
Same reason they freaked the fuck out when we all had to shelter at home because of COVID. Didn’t last long because they needed meat for the grinder and forced a lot of back to work regardless of the risks.
And only callex those essential workers heros while not doing anything that would actually help them. Like increasing pay or protections
Ask any patient at a VA hospital. If the US calls you a hero, stop whatever you’re doing and run away. Do not walk. Do not stop to help others. Get out of whatever situation they are calling you a hero for being in. They are doing that as a means of absolving themselves of responsibility towards you.
If we could wipe a few trillion dollars out of existence in a few days all the rich would freak the fuck out.
People like musk have so much invested in the market and live off those investments by borrowing against those investments. They pay a fraction of their taxes that way through capital gains being taxed at a lower rate. The 1% have so much invested and all they care about is money!
If we held out long enough someone might just push trump out a window.
People are fucked either way, might as well go out on your own terms. That and its our last option outside of armed revolution.
We can either take a week off from work now or die on a battlefield in Greenland.
Workers unite! A general strike is solidarity with everyone, except those delinquent bastards who do no work: Boards, CEOs and upper management.
There aren’t enough Pinkertons and cops to make everyone go back to work.
Cyrus is the One, man.
electoral politics DOES get the job done, just not to the same standard as the popular vote.
The problem is that the people who WANT things to change for some reason, don’t seem to vote.
Never be deceived that the rich will allow you to vote away their wealth.
Lucy Parsons
Not a single one of our rights has ever been won via electoral politics, they have been won with a great deal of violence against the state and capitalism.
violence just happens to be alongside most of the electoral politics, i’m pretty sure we still voted for shit like, womens suffrage, and civil rights. Shit like gay rights as well.
Activism is an important part of politics no doubt, but to say that not voting and killing people will magically make legislation get passed is just fucking mentally deranged.
Women suffrage, civil rights, gay rights, labor rights, all of them had many acts of violence before anything meaningful came of it. Rights are never given, they are fought for with blood, sweat, and tears.
Violence is the only language the state understands, and unless people speak to them in their language they dont hear a thing. Violence is not just physical, its also mental and economical
that’s only part of it, you can’t just start killing people and expect something to change, you’ll get killed or executed by the government instead. Just look at the recent unitedhealth thing.
Violence is the only language the state understands, and unless people speak to them in their language they dont hear a thing. Violence is not just physical, its also mental and economical
they also understand legislation, it’s literally their entire fucking job. If you don’t believe me, go look at the 27th amendment.
Violence isn’t just killing, it’s physical, mental, and economic. The most significant power we hold is economic violence.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence
thats uh, an interesting way to define “non violence”
Perhaps you should try some other word like uh, non compliance.
Your own source defines physical, mental and economic as violence.
They have enough money to hold out for 10 days. Your rent is still due, and you’re broke—as intended. Good luck.
Sounds crazy, but that’s irrelevant. Understand the cost of shutting down a just-in-time economy. You’re thinking like an individual, not a corporation.
You’re out of work for 10-days, you’re out of 10-days pay, that’s it. Shut down, say, Walmart, and the logistical boondoggle would reverberate like a fucking shockwave. It would take months to resume normal operations.
FFS, look at what COVID did. Semis backup up for miles, for days, ships delayed for months. And that was with all of us trying to work and muddle through. After shutting down I-10 for a measly 2-days, I drove past 24-miles of backed-upped trucks once it started again. (There was plenty more, but I was at my exit.)
The scale of our economy is hard to grasp from an individual perspective, but the owners sure as fuck grasp it. There are factories and plants where stoppages cost millions per hour.
10 isn’t enough for long term change. It’s enough for them to realize they need a backup plan.
If you cut me on the arm I’m going to be shocked, and wear protection next time. But if you shove a knife in my gut and twist, something needs to happen now or I’m going to bleed out.
We need to stab them in the gut.
please make the libs understand because i cant for the life of me
They’re so full of arrogance and hubris to be reasoned with.
someone got through to me, so there is a way, as hard as it might be.
Yeah, let’s take this message and sow division instead! Great work!
You’ll have to define what you mean by sow division. If you’re talking about it from a liberal point of view, one that’s defending the duopoly, they are the ones helping create that division.
