I sort of liked GTK back in the day when it was still the Gimp Tool Kit first and foremost. When it was 1999 and your other choices were a broken Lesstif, an early C++ centric Qt, clumsy Tk, and pre-Cambrian Xaw, it was nice to have something full-featured and tasteful.
Now I hesitate to pull in a GTK app because it won’t theme right (I want to use the same bitmap fonts I liked in 1999, but apparently Pango stopped supporting them) and runs the risk of convincing the package manager to dump several gigs of GNOME crud on my drive.
I gather even the GIMP itself no longer tracks current GTK-- it’s become solely in service to GNOME and their absurd UI whims (* * * * client side decorations)
client side decorations
Ah yes, the developers’ dumping ground. App menus bad, five miscellaneous buttons (and also a menu) good and m i n i m a l.
Oh my god I hate client side decorations.
I used to love GNOME 2, but now I’ve jumped ship to KDE and I love it.
Gnome is written by, just hear me out, Malus workers in their offtime who got screamed at by Steve Jobs for misplacing a button by a few pixels. They wanted to write a Mac interface without some tech dictator breathing down their neck, but with the same philosophy of “we know what’s best for the users”.
Gnome is good as it doesn’t had a lot of complexity and looks nice out of the box.
I do wish the gnome devs would be a little more flexible. However, I also wish KDE had a dumb mode that disables the customization. Xfce4 has a kiosk mode
So, here’s a thought. Instead of removing customization, people just, you know, not customize things. It’s like going into the Settings page, except instead of doing that, you don’t do that.
Problem solved.
It is still overly complicated. Gnome is simple, stable and mostly unchanging. If also can force settings with dconf.
I would posit to you that it is, in fact, the perfect amount of complicated. If I want to change something, I don’t have to program and/or install an extension that will get blown up on the next release of the desktop environment because of the lack of fucks that Gnome gives for people that build extensions for it.
I will concede that it would nice to have dconf. But considering the amount of stuff that can be configured in stock Plasma, that might take a lot more than the 3 settings that Gnome allows you to change.
You shouldn’t be using gnome if you are wanting to make major changes. That’s the whole point. If you like to tweak things and customize KDE is great and I respect that. However, not everyone wants that especially not on a machine that is for work.
Oh noes! Design spec?!? :( STANDARDS AND ETHICS?!?! No! I Want you to install my halfass, broken solution instead of waiting for a proper solution to come along! I’m such a special boy and know coding better than you! HOW DARE YOU HAVE PLANS!! /s
Like some of you are buffoons and need to go use something like Plasma instead. I love Plasma, not pushing that down, it’s just that if you don’t know the modus operandi of GNOME in 2024 already, you might as well give up trying.
At the very least give up complaining. You wouldn’t have Wayland if it weren’t for WONTFIX, ya daft cunts.
Design spec?!? :( STANDARDS AND ETHICS?!?!
FYI, GNOME recently broke Adwaita on non-GNOME apps because they started using nonstandard icon names without providing a fallback. Any way you look at it, it’s GNOME shovelling the shit.
Huh, I guess you’re getting to them then with your massive winging. Guess you’ll get your Rube Goldberg desktop you want and still complain.
LOL, we still don’t have Wayland because the daft cunts at Gnome still haven’t heard of 4k displays and setting scaling factors for Xwayland…you know…problems Plasma never had in the first place.
All Gnome does is propose half baked measures they don’t take any action on because the fully formed cohesive solution doesn’t spontaneously magic itself into existence, then gaslight the users. Fuck Gnome.
You wouldn’t have Wayland if it weren’t for WONTFIX, ya daft cunts.
Bit rich to say that considering the reason most very useful and well written Wayland protocol proposals that would get it up to par with X11 are rejected is because Gnome vetoes it since it doesn’t match their vision for the Gnome desktop
“most very useful”.
List. Tell me which ones.
I can’t tell if you are praising KDE or gnome. They both have different goals.
Both are great projects really, and big projects at that - big stacks, lots of moving parts.
Whereas GNOME tries to be more uniform, Plasma tries to be more bespoke.
I don’t care which one you use, really. I just love GNOME design principles and it’s desktop paradigm.
Is GNOME a perfect project? No. But when these troglodytes crawl out of their discord servers, I just can’t help but be infuriated by their pure malice and ignorance.
So fuck em. I’m done with this thread.
You have a nice day now, y’hear?
You wouldn’t have Wayland if it weren’t for WONTFIX, ya daft cunts.
16 years later, and it still barely works. Plasma made it a first-class citizen in the last release and I still had to switch back to X11 because a million WONTFIXes later there’s so many hacked together solutions just to get it to barely work its insane. How do you mess up copy and paste??
“16 years of paving the way for Plasma”.
There, fixed that for you.
Meh, /g/ on 4chan which is where this post is from, is mostly bitter racists angry that can’t pelt everyone with racial and homophobic slurs in the community. They literally think banning hate speech in CoCs is akin to brutal Stalinist oppression.
Isn’t this just an ad hominem? You aren’t disagreeing with the point, just saying you dislike the creed that said it.
Dismissing a post because of the platform it is posted on sounds pretty racist to me. Judge them not by the color of the greentext but the content of the meme. Or, something like that.
You uh… you haven’t been on 4chan… have you?
The point is, you don’t have to be. Appreciate the meme if its good. You don’t want to demote the meme because platform is bad
This Post and the Comments here are a prime example why i will never opensource any of my Projects.
Too many people here that feel like the Developers owe them something.
Wait until you see how people talk about closed source projects they have paid for.
Same thing, except you will owe them something.
You can just ignore them you know
Or I can just save myself the effort.
It’s BTW funny how no one here criticizes the behavior I mentioned but instead attacks my conclusion I draw from that behavior. Which only further solidifies my decision.
how about you stop being an entitled brat?
Entitled brat? What… Have you ever seen how GNOME developers respond to some bug reports and merge requests?
Since when has reporting bugs and contributing to the project become an entitlement?
