“So guys getting blown up in trenches in Ukraine by drones? Ha, totally not age-restricted,” the creator said. “ Me firing a 3D printed pink glock that I made? Age-restricted. We don’t need kids watching that. We want kids watching people getting blown up by mines. Love it. Awesome.”
Guys missing the corpo bottom line.
Gun manufacturers have gotten sued by families of school shooting victims. Youtube runs the risk of getting dragged into court because little Billy sees the 3D printed pink glock, decides that he can make that, that its time to fuck up some bullies, and then after that those bullies parents shoot lawyers in every direction (which includes Youtube, even if the odds of getting anything are minimal) like mushroom spores. That risk assessment doesn’t exist for Ukraine war vids.
More generally “gun control” is never about controlling the cops, military, MIC, etc. There’s bi-partisan support for the state maintaining its monopoly on violence.
There’s bi-partisan support for the state maintaining its monopoly on violence.
as if this is a bad thing.
oh, sorry, were you still dreaming of starting a civil war with you widdle rifles against, I DUNNO, ARMOR DIVISIONS AND AIR FORCES AND CHEMICAL BIOLOGICAL AND NUCLEAR WEAPONS?
because that seems pitifully stupid.
It is if that’s how you think about it. But over time the thinking behind that has changed. Because these types of people are.in our military and they think most military members think like them. By proxy that means they’d be on the side of the “militia”.
By proxy that means they’d be on the side of the “militia”.
Nope. Regardless of your delusions of boogaloo, those people serving in the mil TOOK A FUCKING OATH.
It probably doesn’t mean shit to you, I mean, obviously, but it should matter to them. They voluntarily took an oath to defend the constitution of the US against all enemies foreign and domestic. I know, I took that oath, and no one said “oh but if you want civil war there’s an exception” - because there isn’t.
Traitorous fucks will happen, and they’ll face the consequences.
I was in the military. I took the oath. What I’m saying is, if you don’t think there are MAGAT idiots in the military (a lot of them), please understand they did a threat assessment of military members while Donald Trump was running for President the first time, and decided to make a military wide training specifically to educate us about that oath and remind us who what we took it to defend. So yes. I absolutely do know some people who are all for militia fighting the government who are still military members.
Traitorous fucks will happen, and they’ll face the consequences.
then you’re violating your oath by aiding them. AND YOU ARE AIDING THEM BY NOT TURNING THEM IN IF THEY’RE ACTUAL SEDITIOUS GARBAGE.
Why are you aiding seditious garbage? I thought you took your oath seriously.
I don’t think you understand just how prevalent this situation is, or just what they would need to do for me to “turn them in” for basically being on the wrong side of the political fence. For one, you’re assuming the person or persons in charge doesn’t feel the same way (chain of command isn’t the kind of thing you just skip because some of them happen to be suspect). Second, they actually have to do something against the UCMJ for me to “turn them in”. Thinking that the government should be overthrown in the event that it over steps is constitutional. Thinking you could overturn a free and legal public election is not constitutional, but it’s also not against the rules.
You can’t turn people in for thinking. Only for acting. You’re kind of coming off as a troll and I’m done with you following me through the thread.
Yeah billy should be build IEDs not 3d printed guns. That’ll make kids safer. /s
Honestly, why can’t we put half the effort we do censoring the world into teaching kids/people the sanctity of human life. There was a time where the US was had strong pacifist culture but almost every house had gun, but I think we didn’t do a good job transitioning from religious to secular values in that way.
Yeah billy should be build IUDs not 3d printed guns.
lol what the fuck?
Inter uterine devices are implanted birth control you fucking moron.
You probably meant IED, Improvised Explosive Device, but are too simple to understand acronyms have meanings.
Honestly, why can’t we put half the effort we do censoring the world
if you put half your effort into reading and comprehension you’d probably engage all four brain cells.
They have a logical point though. On the Ukranian war videos side we know that the news has to blur certain things for public decency or safety etc.
On the 3D printing side we know that while these videos are definitely educational, the point is that such an education can be used in a very horrible way.
IUD might be how their phone’s keyboard corrected, or they might have just swapped the acronyms. It’s more important that you knew what he meant and I think you’re dismissing it out of hand.
When the internet first became popular there was a whole thing about kids having access to the materials to make a bomb with instructions. Took some bookstores down with them. Anarchist cookbook moral panic everywhere.So yeah this has been a thing for a long time.
pfft, I think you’re giving them way more credit than they deserve. I really want them to homebrew IUD’s lol, they’re gonna need them when their states outlaw abortion.
I mean I am unironically I am for people making medicine and medical devices at home if they have no other option (the four thieves vinegar collective is the best group I know for this, with diy abortion cards being one their products).
I mean I am unironically I am for people making medicine and medical devices at home if they have no other option
yeah I’m of the mind that we should keep civilization chugging so people don’t have to homebrew penicillin. you do you. but don’t put your IEDs where your IUDs should go.
Lol yeah I doubt IUDs are being talked about much on the war reports. Its been a heck of a week for me, so that’s my excuse for the typo.
communication hinges upon clarity and if you don’t know which words to use, or don’t use them correctly, you can’t blame the receiver for wondering WTF
that its time to fuck up some bullies, and then after that those bullies parents shoot lawyers in every direction
Frankly in such a situation not such instructions, and not even Billy’s parents should be held primarily responsible, but bullies’ parents.
Would reduce the amount of such cases quite a lot, not even talking about more healthy childhood for every human useful for civilization (bullies usually grow into pretty average types).
Frankly in such a situation not such instructions, and not even Billy’s parents should be held primarily responsible, but bullies’ parents.
so if someone murdered you, by your logic they should get off if they say you were bullying them, thereby transferring the blame to your parents?
Y’all need to stop huffing gasoline.
Yes, if you abuse someone morally and then they kill you, it’s their right.
transferring the blame to your parents?
Parents answer for their underage children.
If they say
No, if I did. Which is what they’ll say and what’ll be proven in court of law.
LOLWTF
you’re deranged, you know that, right?
the murderer is the murderer. now, there may be factors involved that drove the person to murder, but they don’t justify the murder. And they certainly don’t get to blame the MURDER VICTIM, or their parents, for murder.
but I can see you’re really fixated on this logic, please, don’t let the people who bully you drive you to murdering someone, even if, apparently, you’ve put A LOT OF THOUGHT into this entire chain of events.
No one’s going to give a fuck who bullied you once you start shooting mate.
Is this why Ian McCollum’s videos are getting altered? Over the years, he’s had many historical deep-dives featuring firearms from the Murphy’s auction house. In recent months, he’s been re-uploading those videos to cover their logo with the word “Morphy’s”. Even though the auctions are long over, I suppose Google counts them as promoting sales.
He fucked himself over with some of the auction houses by trying to set up backroom deal to buy a gun outside of the auction. Understandingly they don’t appreciate that sort of thing. Ian has a history of not being a great person, but he’s good at hiding it from the public eye.
After the whole inrangeTV stuff I stopped watching Ian entirely.
Uuuuh what happened there? I respect Karl a lot, did something happen between them?
Google is ruining themselves to suck off advertisers. Hopefully someone can fill the gap of YouTube.
yes, it’s sucking off advertisers and definitely not wanting to be associated with the fucking illicit arms trade…
god damn gun nuts are such whiny babies
I wish I owned a gun bcz then I would be cool.
funny thing is, there’s nothing wrong with firearms, just the idiots who fetishize them.
3D printed guns are being used by fighters in Myanmar.
https://3dprint.com/302100/myanmar-rebels-rely-on-3d-printed-guns-to-fight-military-junta/amp/
They’re pretty important if you want to be anti-authoritarian.
Also pretty important if you want to supply white supremacist gangs in the US.
White supremacist gangs are generally privileged enough to afford regular guns. Crackdowns on gun possession have overwhelmingly targeted and been selectively enforced against black and other non-white communities and left wing groups, whereas Kyle Rittenhouse shot three people at a BLM rally then walked right past the cops who didn’t even intercept him, then he was acquitted. The only BLM protestor to shoot someone was basically assassinated by the feds.
There are plenty of problems with guns in the US and I think there are a few regulations around purchasing them that make sense, but this is virtually a non-issue. Printing guns is so time and resource intensive that unless you are arming a militia in a place where the general population has very limited access to guns, it’s not really going to change much.
The one other thing you can do with 3d printing is make full-auto guns and modifications, and those are scary but not really important. Full auto has limited tactical use in squads in pitched warfare. Semi auto will work for 99% of cases, and if the need for full auto is coming up a lot, you’re probably in a position to use your gun-to-get-a-gun. We’re talking about situations where the law has already broken down, like Myanmar.
Now I can understand why the state would be scared of the tech, but I don’t see it helping white supremacists. They already have all the help they need.
and if everyone were rational professionals this world would be a much better and more predictable place.
Unfortunately, as is OBVIOUS, the world is actually run and full of amateur hour irrational shits who just love things like 3d printed auto mods so they can spray a full mag in one dump, they don’t care who’s behind their target.
And these dumbfucks are enabling them.
And the idiots who shout “but that’s censorship!” don’t understand how censorship works, don’t understand that youtube is a private corporation that’s allowed to define it’s own rules.
Okay, some gun owners are irresponsible.
If they want to use a giggle switch and they’re irresponsible with it and someone gets hurt, that sucks, but it doesn’t have much to do with the threat of white supremacist terrorism that the other person was talking about.
If you’re irresponsible and you’re shooting without knowing your target and what’s beyond it, you’re already in breach of a law called reckless endangerment. You might be able to do a bit more damage that way, but ultimately you can empty a 30 rounder or even 3x10 rounders pretty fast with semi-automatic too. Adding another law on top to restrict the type of weapon doesn’t really make anyone much safer.
Plus if you’re really that concerned, just look up the Yankee Boogle. It is a tiny, easily 3d printable piece of plastic that you can drop into the action of an AR15 and make it full auto illegally in seconds. Run into cops? Chuck it in the bushes and make another tomorrow.
Resticted mag sizes? Mags aren’t that hard to make out of sheet metal from a hardware store, and changing mags doesn’t take that long. None of this stuff really makes people much safer if they’re left inside with the shooter for hours whilst the cops cower behind their cars and stop parents from trying to save their kids.
Trying to make people unaware of this doesn’t actually make anyone safer. You can cry about the rights of a multinational corporation to control speech on a platform that should be a public commons, it doesn’t change what is effective, and we’ve all learned from decades of internet history at this point that trying to stamp stuff like this out just doesn’t work. It’s always going to be there.
Also, youtube isn’t going to maintain its monopoly forever. It’s enshittifying and peertube is waiting in the wings to pick up the slack. Then it really won’t be up to youtube anymore.
Mags aren’t that hard to make out of sheet metal from a hardware store,
bwahahahahaaaa oh my, yes please, homebrew all your mags so I can hear the misfires from here
Also, youtube isn’t going to maintain its monopoly forever. It’s enshittifying and peertube is waiting in the wings to pick up the slack. Then it really won’t be up to youtube anymore.
Maybe then I’ll have to stop seeing the constant whining… Trying to make people unaware - lol wtf does that even mean? FORGET YOU SAW ME!
No, not spreading the easy steps on their platform is NOT trying to make people unaware, it’s simply a decision not to further propagate illegal bullshit. god though, the linguistic knots you have to tie yourselves into
none of your arguments convince me that youtube should have to carry the shit so we’re back to square one. ___
Many white supremacists ARE anti-authoritarian.
It’s 100% authoritarian to believe that “whites” are supreme.
adjective
favoring or enforcing strict obedience to authority at the expense of personal freedom.
being racist has absolutely nothing to do with being authoritarian.
Not in the traditional sense of the word. Say Joe is a white supremacist. He’s white and he’s poor. He believes that all whites are better than all minorities. However, Joe is also not in power, because other white people are in power, and Joe doesn’t like those other white people (though Joe prefers the powerful white people to any minorities). Joe will work with the powerful white people to keep minorities down, but otherwise his goals and believes are different than those of the powerful white people, and he resents them.
Southern prisons are full of people like Joe. Joe has some power in everyday life over minorities, due to the racist society he lives in and supports. But it’s a big stretch to say Joe is in power. Cops, judges, and politicians are in power. Joe steals catalytic converters and sells meth.
What? Most of them “back the blue” which is about as authoritarian as you can get
In my experience, they tend to side with cops against minorities, but only to that extent. They tend to be the methy, gas-station-robber types who don’t get on well with cops.
They are the cops. Look up just about every far-right protest in the past century and how they’re given a police escort to and from the site. How the cops look the other way when there is right wing started violence and there is grave injury or death. How white supremicist cops that kill face unpaid time off way more than jail time.
These authoritarian right wingers are anti-authority to the point they want to exterminate all authority who keep them from violently suppressing anyone who doesn’t want to oppress others. And they have to intimidate, cheat, lie, appoint other crooked liars because they’ll never win the votes they need from a free electorate. The voting majority thinks they are wrong.
You need to broaden your sources of information.
Oh? Do tell. Great post btw. What’s next? A damning Do YoUr OwN ReSeArCh?
Third most popular video on the guy’s channel - a million views. A handgun that can shoot all its bullets in the blink of an eye.
30 years from now if 3D printers are unrestricted, will there be any point to gun control?
Why 30 years from now?
That seemed random, and it kinda was: uneducated(!) guess on how long it will take the technology to both develop and popularize to the point the average kindergarten massacre* is committed with a 3D printed gun.
@Voyajer@lemmy.world @ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Is 30 years long enough for there to be a decent likelihood we’ll be able to print the switch and firearm from that video? Thanks for your responses, I can tell you know your stuff.
* to be clear, being forever upset about Sandy Hook has no bearing on my respect for responsible gun owners, presumably the vast majority
You can already print those switches, the stls are already out there.
It’s still illegal to do, of course, without the proper licensing.
OK very interesting. So I figure regulation:
Helps the state punish people IF they get caught
More importantly, makes it harder to advertise & discourages printed parts & guns, leading to lower availability. I imagine most guns used in crimes were Initially purchased legally. I also imagine over time this will shift.
Well yes, but that doesn’t affect people who plan to murder with them of course, the added time for doing it with a “machine gun” specifically is nothing compared to already getting life, the death penalty, shot by cops, or suicide at the end of their spree killing.
Though no, guns are legal to print, the switch is defined as a machine gun by the ATF and that is illegal without the proper licensure. You can print a glock no problem, but you can’t sell it or make it full auto.
Most guns used in crimes were indeed initially purchased legally, but then stolen or sold illegally through a process called “straw purchasing.” The ATF reports avg “time to crime” (from buying in-store until found at a crime scene) of guns they find is 11 years and the overwhelming majority were straw purchased. Now, it’s important to note that this isn’t to say that most guns bought have 11yr before a crime happens, rather that most guns involved in crime (which is a fraction of a percent of all guns sold/owned) took 11yr to get there.
You can already easily manufacture your own firearm with a combination of 3D printers and some metal working tools. Or just buy the barrel pre made and that’s 99% the effort.
