Presumably to minimize exposure while they add the announced security band-aids?
So… while I have you guys here, how do we feel about iOS having just announced basically the same feature? We angy about that one too or nah?
I mean, joking aside, I’m genuinely curious about what the reaction is going to be. On paper it’s a very similar concept, but it feels like routing it through Siri and not surfacing the stored data will legitimately kill some of the creepy factor even if what’s happening behind the scenes is very similar.
people generally probably hate the iOS integration just because it’s another AI product, but they’re fundamentally different. the problem with Recall isn’t the AI, it’s the trove of extra data that gets collected that you normally wouldn’t save to disk whereas the iOS features are only accessing existing data that you give it access to.
from my perspective this is a pretty good use case for “AI” and about as good as you can do privacy wise, if their claims pan out. most features use existing data that is user controlled and local models, and it’s pretty explicit about when it’s reaching out to the cloud.
this data is already accessible by services on your phone or exists in iCloud. if you don’t trust that infrastructure already then of course you don’t want this feature. you know how you can search for pictures of people in Photos? that’s the terrifying cLoUD Ai looking through your pictures and classifying them. this feature actually moves a lot of that semantic search on device, which is inherently more private.
of course it does make access to that data easier, so if someone could unlock your device they could potentially get access to sensitive data with simple prompts like “nudes plz”, but you should have layers of security on more sensitive stuff like bank or social accounts that would keep Siri from reading it. likely Siri won’t be able to get access to app data unless it’s specified via their API.
The fans will lap it up and all those Apple YouTubers will gush about how Apple’s new invention is the best invention ever. Apple has the advantage of owning a cult.
I disagree, I think Apple will do this feature with privacy/security in mind which Microsoft didn’t do.
I absolutely don’t like Apple but I think it’s undeniable that they try to keep their OS secure. It’s still a golden prison but at least it takes privacy fairly seriously.
Microsoft didn’t seem to think about the challenges of that feature and it looks like a draft from an intern after a 1 hour meeting.
Obviously, something that scan a user screen has some implications that are hard to miss.
So yeah it’s easy to point at people and say they are fanboys. But in this case the fanboys would be probably right in the sense that Apple already did better than Microsoft when it comes to privacy.
At the end of the day both are businesses that you shouldn’t trust with your data but I would trust a lot more Apple than Microsoft for doing this right.
Presumably to minimize exposure while they add the announced security band-aids?
So… while I have you guys here, how do we feel about iOS having just announced basically the same feature? We angy about that one too or nah?
I mean, joking aside, I’m genuinely curious about what the reaction is going to be. On paper it’s a very similar concept, but it feels like routing it through Siri and not surfacing the stored data will legitimately kill some of the creepy factor even if what’s happening behind the scenes is very similar.
people generally probably hate the iOS integration just because it’s another AI product, but they’re fundamentally different. the problem with Recall isn’t the AI, it’s the trove of extra data that gets collected that you normally wouldn’t save to disk whereas the iOS features are only accessing existing data that you give it access to.
from my perspective this is a pretty good use case for “AI” and about as good as you can do privacy wise, if their claims pan out. most features use existing data that is user controlled and local models, and it’s pretty explicit about when it’s reaching out to the cloud.
this data is already accessible by services on your phone or exists in iCloud. if you don’t trust that infrastructure already then of course you don’t want this feature. you know how you can search for pictures of people in Photos? that’s the terrifying cLoUD Ai looking through your pictures and classifying them. this feature actually moves a lot of that semantic search on device, which is inherently more private.
of course it does make access to that data easier, so if someone could unlock your device they could potentially get access to sensitive data with simple prompts like “nudes plz”, but you should have layers of security on more sensitive stuff like bank or social accounts that would keep Siri from reading it. likely Siri won’t be able to get access to app data unless it’s specified via their API.
The fans will lap it up and all those Apple YouTubers will gush about how Apple’s new invention is the best invention ever. Apple has the advantage of owning a cult.
I disagree, I think Apple will do this feature with privacy/security in mind which Microsoft didn’t do.
I absolutely don’t like Apple but I think it’s undeniable that they try to keep their OS secure. It’s still a golden prison but at least it takes privacy fairly seriously.
Microsoft didn’t seem to think about the challenges of that feature and it looks like a draft from an intern after a 1 hour meeting.
Obviously, something that scan a user screen has some implications that are hard to miss.
So yeah it’s easy to point at people and say they are fanboys. But in this case the fanboys would be probably right in the sense that Apple already did better than Microsoft when it comes to privacy.
At the end of the day both are businesses that you shouldn’t trust with your data but I would trust a lot more Apple than Microsoft for doing this right.
Just Say No To crApple has been my attitude towards them for years and their latest moves will not change that one tiny bit.
I’m pretty mad about the iOS “upgrade” too.