Opposition motions calling for a range of economic and diplomatic sanctions, including the expulsion of Israel’s ambassador in Dublin Dana Erlich, were defeated in the Dail on Wednesday evening.
Proposals for Ireland to refer Israel to the International Criminal Court (ICC) were also voted down.
While the Government did not expel Russia’s ambassador after the invasion of Ukraine, it did back EU sanctions against Vladimir Putin’s regime and also referred its actions to the ICC.
In the same way that being “pro Russia” isn’t the equivalent to being “pro Putin”. I.e. you’re not wrong, but you’re not right either.
In the context of war like in Gaza and Ukraine, it’s an unfortunate fact that you can’t really separate leaders from their people. Hamas controls Gaza and has a significant approval there, just like Putin has in Russia.
It’s not fair to the individual when they end up suffering due the actions of their government, but in case of war it unfortunately can’t be avoided.
Show me where tens of thousands of Russian civillians are killed right now or in the past two years.
It isn’t. Because - unlike in Israel - the evil side has is invading.
“evil side” is both ridiciously under complex and unhelpful in regards to most geopolitical conflicts and in particular in the case of Israel and Palestine.
But if you want to think of good and evil, the Palestinians did not deny food, water, medicine, electricity, fuel and communications to more than two million people, while directly killing ten times as many people as the other side did.
Well, I grant you that it’s indeed complex if you look at the Westbank. But with Gaza and the Hamas? Hell no. Hamas main objective is wiping out the Jewish people. If Israel were comparable to them, then they’d not waste any time with carefully taking over the city, they’d just dump napalm on it and reduce the population to 0.
So it doesnt matter how many innocent people you kill, but how many you say you want to kill?
Also how the fuck do you end up with saying all more than two million people in Gaza are evil and deserve to get killed with impu ity because of the actions of a group that has about 20.000-25.000 members?
That is textbook definition of collective punishment and a typical war crime.
Well, crimes and morals are largely about intend. The point here is that you should be glad that it’s Israel and not Hamas having the upper hand here. The situation in Gaza is bad, but it’s not even remotely comparable to what would happen if the roles were reversed.
And no, it’s not a war crime to put your enemy under a siege. It only becomes a war crime if the main goal is to hurt civilians. As long your targets are enemy comabats colleteral damage tends to be legal. Yes, that is horrible, but horrible is what war is. And it’s Hamas that started this war.
collateral damage isnt legal by default. That would also be a get out of jail free card then, since all you need is the intend to hit one military target. collateral damage need to be proportional to the military target. and that it isnt here
Of course it’s not “legal by default”. But in Gaza it seems to be more or less proportional. There’s thousands of terrorists among the people killed by the IDF. That’s a lot of military targets and therefore likely makes these actions proportional.
It’s also important to remember that Hamas is causing most of these civilians deaths. If they weren’t committing war crimes like using hospitals for military purposes, there’d be far fewer civilians deaths. You simply can’t blame the side that is forced to fire upon these multi-use targets. Otherwise you’d be rewarding a war crime.
Which Russian city of 2 million people is Ukraine terror bombing into corpses and rubble?
Show me one in Palestine. The situation in Gaza is horrible, but it’s not even remotely coming close to “terror bombing”. That was used in WW2. If it were used here, we’d see roughly a hundred times more victims.
There are 10,000+ dead after a few weeks of bombing. 100 times that would be one million dead (or half the pre-attack population). I guess by your standard the Israelis are allowed to murder up to a million people before it becomes terror bombing?
Your comparison to WWII is more apt than you think. Consider the firebombing of Dresden. What was the death toll? According to wiki “up to” 25,000. And 55% of the city destroyed. Currently Isreal’s body count is nearly half of a Dresden, with Gaza City virtually leveled! Even the blitz at 40,000 killed, the firebombing of Hamburg at 45,000 and the firebombing of Tokyo, which was the most deadly terror bombing campaign in history at 100,000 dead, are far below your number of one million.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/interactive/2023/gaza-rising-death-toll-civilians/
Yeah, in a cities with an established system of bunkers. In Gaza however those don’t exist (well, Hamas has some, but it’s not letting civilians use those) Also: Dresden was about two days. This war has been going on for six weeks.
So yeah, if it were comparable to strategic bombing we would be in the millions regarding deaths now. And of course that would be a war crime. But it’s also a pure hypothetical.
Edit: Also: where did you get the 55% for the Dresden bombings from? The destroyed area was around 6.5km² according to wikipedia. That’s about 2% of the city (at the time, it’s bigger now).
Yet, Russia is different, as it is an imperialistic power where the minorities are suppressed and their male population sent to die in Ukraine.
So the difference is that, um, Israel cares about its troops? I guess that part is good.
Yeah, Gaza/Hamas is even worse. They’re not just imperialistic but have genocide as their main objective.
No, Hamas wants to eradicate Israel, thats literally their only goal.