Ubuntu and derivatives suck because of Canonical and their practices
Fedora sucks because of Red Hat
OpenSUSE sucks because RPM (why?!) and still SUSE (but they’re the best of the three)
Rest is exotic and obscure
So we end up with Arch and Debian. Debian 12 is good enough as is, and runs on a work laptop where I don’t care about anything but stability. Arch is respectable and great, but requires excessive maintenance to work properly. Among its derivatives, Endeavour is just a nicer archinstall (so, why?), Garuda is cool but unstable and too gamer’y, Manjaro is a bit problematic at times but generally the safest bet when it comes to Arch. So, when it comes to my main PC doubling as a gaming rig, this is a no-brainer.
The fact that it adds too little to Arch to be seen as a separate entity. And I don’t want to run mainline Arch. It requires too much maintenance to work with it properly, and every update is a bit of a gamble on what’s gonna break next - unless you spend solid time reading notes to every update.
Yeah, I am aware of some of those controversies, and they sure are unfortunate!
However, it’s really, really hard to find a well-supported distro free of controversies. Still doesn’t excuse Manjaro on that front.
I personally did not test Arch for such a long time, but what I had I certainly didn’t like. Also, full barebones approach is not for me, and more of an enthusiast kind of thing. So, to each their own indeed!
Fair enough. Of course, you know that the exact same graphical installer is also available on EOS right? It is not installed by default but it is in the repos.
But really, I just see no point for myself when there’s Debian 12 already. I’ve always seen LMDE as a backup of sorts, so that the community would remain should Ubuntu really screw it for everyone. Or if you’re Cinnamon maximalist, they have everything as polished as possible for that (but generally you can easily have Cinnamon on mainline Debian)
Ooookay, this will get controversial.
Proud Manjaro/Debian user!
So we end up with Arch and Debian. Debian 12 is good enough as is, and runs on a work laptop where I don’t care about anything but stability. Arch is respectable and great, but requires excessive maintenance to work properly. Among its derivatives, Endeavour is just a nicer archinstall (so, why?), Garuda is cool but unstable and too gamer’y, Manjaro is a bit problematic at times but generally the safest bet when it comes to Arch. So, when it comes to my main PC doubling as a gaming rig, this is a no-brainer.
What did you not like about EndeavourOS?
The fact that it adds too little to Arch to be seen as a separate entity. And I don’t want to run mainline Arch. It requires too much maintenance to work with it properly, and every update is a bit of a gamble on what’s gonna break next - unless you spend solid time reading notes to every update.
I have been using both distros in the last 5 years and Manjaro was way more problematic to me than Arch, TBH. The Linux Experiment created a video with some of the big issues of Manjaro BTW. That said, this is no war, everyone can enjoy their favourite distro. Whatever works best for each of us.
Yeah, I am aware of some of those controversies, and they sure are unfortunate!
However, it’s really, really hard to find a well-supported distro free of controversies. Still doesn’t excuse Manjaro on that front.
I personally did not test Arch for such a long time, but what I had I certainly didn’t like. Also, full barebones approach is not for me, and more of an enthusiast kind of thing. So, to each their own indeed!
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Fair enough. Of course, you know that the exact same graphical installer is also available on EOS right? It is not installed by default but it is in the repos.
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Nope. Both pamac and octopi work fine with EndeavourOS. In fact, they work better because the packages are not delayed like they are in Manjaro.
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Sure. One of those cons is that you have more packaging problems when you interact with non-Manjaro repos—like the AUR.
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In a linux community? Im shocked, shocked!
Normally when people hear Manjaro, hell breaks loose :D
Apparently folks here are a lot more chill about it
Mint where?
Lol
See Ubuntu and derivatives
LMDEEEE
Lol, fair, fair! :D
But really, I just see no point for myself when there’s Debian 12 already. I’ve always seen LMDE as a backup of sorts, so that the community would remain should Ubuntu really screw it for everyone. Or if you’re Cinnamon maximalist, they have everything as polished as possible for that (but generally you can easily have Cinnamon on mainline Debian)
I myself am KDE fanboy, though :)