With fighting raging around Khan Younis and in the north of Gaza, a video has emerged on social media showing dozens of Palestinian men detained by Israel.
With fighting raging around Khan Younis and in the north of Gaza, a video has emerged on social media showing dozens of Palestinian men detained by Israel.
And they still call themselves democratic country. Very democratic of them to humiliate human beings whose only fault is that they are of “military age” and not evacuated to the south. Apparently for Israel all males in Gaza are guilty until proven otherwise.
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When people say shit like this it makes me wonder how divorced from reality they are… do you really think it’s highly unlikely that the IDF did this after their other wonderful works:
It is absolutely highly likely that the IDF has not stopped this.
I don’t even want to start with the stories of some of those Israel detained without a charge because it’s fucking tragic. One named Israa, her story is gut-wrenching and one in hundreds. This is what happened after her car broke down by a checkpoint:
She was recently released. I’ll leave a picture of her face just so we don’t forget what kind of shit the IDF does
The example you have used appears to be a very unfortunate set of events. If you can put yourself in the soldiers place they were either worried about a car bomb attack (with the yells of god is great from a stopped car at a checkpoint it’s not that far fetched really) or they were psychopathic if how you are telling it is true. I don’t know the answer, they may well have been both. If it was an unfortunate set of events and the soldier was not psychopathic I could imagine they would probably feel at least some regret over the incident, I mean who wouldn’t? I don’t know
I find it hard to put myself in the place of a police officer who left a woman inside a burning car to explode.
You have got to be some kind of human fucking scum to be okay with this or excuse it in any way. This woman deserves better.
I’m glad you agree it’s an unfortunate set of events. How about what followed? She was denied medical treatment in prison. The Israeli judge who sentenced her did not do her justice, and she was mistreated in prison.
Is this justified? I can share many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many more fucking stories of the same caliber. Please don’t ignore the fact that Israa’s story is not that unique (sadly).
Finally the only people who were able to release her from the shackles of Israel is a terrorist organization… when you have Hamas do the work of the UN, you have got to stop to think about just how wrong Israel is.
Also have you checked the link to Breaking the Silence?
They have this REALLY LOVELY FUCKING TAB ON THE LEFT where you can choose the testimonies you would like to read about the IDF, such as “looting”, or “assassinations” or “rules of engagement”. All the videos will kick your heart in the gut. And they should. Because what kind of beings are we if it doesn’t kick us in the fucking gut?
Ah yes, another apologist. I am sure if Israeli men were stripped and publicly humiliated like this, you would have been the first person to condemn it, but since it is just Palestinians who everyone knows are only Hamas supporters (/s) is just fine, right.
So perhaps you should think twice about who is “full of shit” here having double standards.
No I wouldn’t, this is what happens in a war zone. When the Americans were in the pacific they couldn’t trust the Japanese to surrender so they assumed they were dangerous, the ones that didn’t are probably dead. And also if I can recall, the last military operation from the Palestinian side the people weren’t really rounded up as much as slayed in their homes. The ones that were rounded up ended up being taken hostage. Hold on, I’m the one with double standards. Both sides have done shit I wouldn’t apologise for either side. There will never be peace as long as one side thinks and acts like they are completely innocent
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Removed. You have it backwards:
“Even if only one of these people are combatants I would argue it’s justified for everyone’s safety”
In actuality it should be “Even if only one of these people are innocents I would argue it’s not justified for everyone’s human dignity.”
I understand what you’re saying but this is a different reality. The world you’re talking about needs a certain degree of civility to before it can be seen as reasonable. I know you won’t like this but being a soldier is usually an occupation. The job is to keep things secure. This is for both your own wellbeing and to complete the objective because everyone wants to finish the job and go home safely at the end of the day. Unfortunately sometimes it’s impossible to consider everyone’s feelings in every situation. I agree 100% that if you were a totally innocent person and you got rounded up and stripped it would be absolutely bullshit and unfair. I also think if you were a soldier following orders and you had half your face and arm blown off you would think that was unfair as well
It requires no civility to say that any chance of the persecution of innocents is not allowed. 1 in 20? 19 in 20? Doesn’t matter.
With all due respect you are living on another planet. If you care about respecting the innocence of people who have a high potential of trying to/about to kill you im sure there’s no shortage of openings for those occupations.
Innocent people are innocent people, period. You don’t treat them as having ANY potential for trying to kill you. THEY’RE INNOCENT PEOPLE.
How do you know though?
Everyone is PRESUMED INNOCENT. You don’t prove innocence, you prove guilt.
What exactly do you think democracy means and why does this run contrary to it? Democratic countries go to war all the time, especially when attacked. Perhaps this is about disarming and searching potential hostiles and not humiliation.
In the evacuation zone? Yes, and they have stated as such, everyone there will be considered a potential enemy combatant.
Israel thinks its god, doesn’t it? Announces a military zone anywhere at all, then shoots people there right and left. What we have left is entire families wiped out, and 7k dead children, and a few thousands that are so traumatized and radicalized now that Israel has effectively set the stage for the rise of the next Hamas.
Thank you Israel 👏 you have indeed saved us all 👏 👏 /s
Counter-attacking a belligerent nation != thinking itself god. You keep making these absurd statements…
Nothing happened before Oct 7th in your mind.
Do you have a copy of Mein-Kampf on your nightstand?
‘Evacuation zone’ aka these peoples homes and communities, where many other civilians need rescue and aid. No no please keep supporting the idea that 2 million people can just move to an undeveloped plain and have all aid including food, water and shelter withheld. Collective punishment is a war crime.
Monstrous take. Do better.
When nations go to war they go to war collectively, everyone who lives in said nations will have to all share the negative consequences of doing so. That is how war works. Counter-attacking a belligerent nation that attacked you and cutting off their supply lines is not collective punishment as in the war crime. That only applies when they are occupied, and Israel withdrew from Gaza and has not occupied it since 2005.
Inaccurate concern trolling, attempting to to bind Israel’s hands and deny them from achieving meaningful safety. Do better.
“meaningful safety”
LOL
KILL, KILL, KILL FOR PEACE
That’s how war works. You think it’s all hugs and love in a war? What if one of them have a suicide bomb belt? You might want to look into how US army treats the locals in Iraq war. Every war has war crimes(so far I don’t see any committed by Israel). Every war has civilian casualties. Some people are fixated on civilians death from bombings. Well, if they are bombing Hamas targets and there are civilians, that’s just how any country would have done it. US did the same. Any country would do the same. So let’s get off your high horse and start criticizing both sides. I haven’t heard any liberals pointing finger at the Hamas. It’s sickening.
That other countries would do it too does in no way make it morally justified, it just makes those countries monstrous as well.
Hamas are horrible terrorists. There, your first liberal pointing a finger at Hamas. Now, consider what the point of critique is. Will Hamas ever care about western criticism? No. Will Israel ever care? Maybe. They depend on Western support in their political and economic stability. Therefore continued scrutiny and criticism of Israel has a chance of actually making a difference.
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Every single time Israel commits a war crime someone is like “tHatS jUsT wAr oKay?”
That’s not what Israel said about October 7th is it?
So why should be Palestinians settle for it?
Because they don’t have the means to fight back and win. Because if they insist on intifada they will end up with nothing.
Ah okay so we should then just accept a genocide. Bravo.
Only if you redefine genocide so much that the term is meaningless. Israel is obviously not trying to eradicate an ethnic group. High civilian casualties via collateral damage does not a genocide make.
So you’re saying all those experts at the UN “redefined genocide”?
Oh the mental equilibristics to try to excuse war crimes and clear dehumanization from Israel. Seriously you should ask what kind of a person you are if you defend them.
Maybe address the arguments being made rather than the ones making them. Not everyone thinks these are war crimes, and whatever dehumanization you see here could very well be for security reasons and not Abu Ghraib style psychological warfare.
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Ah yes, stripping naked people and keeping them in the cold for hours and hours and then streaming this online is all because of the safety of Israel. How dare I question their sound judgement, right? So international laws don’t apply to Israel either, that’s my friend what I call double standards.
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Simple math comes to mind 1200 killed vs 17.000+, that’s about 14 times more.
Shall we also talk about the displacement of millions of people who were forced out of their homes, are struggling to get food, proper health care, and not having fuel or electricity. Are not able to escape outside Gaza.
What Hamas did was horrible, but shall we not expect a bit higher standards from Israel?
Didn’t they actively cause a humanitarian catastrophe affecting 2.4Mln people, half of which are children. Aren’t the Gazans struggling to get the basics like food and water? Do they have proper sanitation, electricity, or fuel? And who’s to blame all of this? Who is bombing their homes, preventing adequate quantities of food and water to reach the civilians, who is blocking international aid, besieging hospitals and have very little respect for human lives? Damn, even your closest ally is telling you that what you are doing is wrong and you still claim that Israel has the high moral ground.
Yes 7th of October was disastrous but what Israel is doing is nothing less than collective punishment and for any sane person this should be pretty obvious. You don’t need to be a genius to see that one evil doesn’t excuse another evil.
I’m sorry wtf is this logic? One side only killed 1700 so the other is immoral if they kill more than 1700???
This my friend is called common sense and basic empathy. You know empathy not only towards Israelis, but also towards Palestinians. Because every life matters no matter the religion, colour, ethnicity, etc.
Ok so you’re missing my point. If there are two groups of people living side by side and one group decide to murder 10 people from the other group, you’re trying to say it’s immoral if the other group kills more than 10??? Am I getting this insanity correct? We skip over the whole deciding to murder 10 people in the first place and we start our ethical counters only once the retaliating group hits what the original murderers deem as reasonable retribution? If it’s overstepped, now is when the immorality begins? This has the most retarded parts of eye for an eye written all over it. No man has the moral judgment for eye for an eye to be functional. Of course lots of people think they do and then fail to understand why others think they were unreasonable in their retaliation.
Two groups of people living side by side? Way to omit 75 years of suffering in a single stroke.
Suck my Wang indeed.
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Think about what you’re saying
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You said supplies were pouring into Gaza. This is an obvious lie.
Why do you lie?
Thanks, Hitler.
Oh, can you please answer the following questions:
And now replace Israelis with Gazans and answer the same questions.
Oh so now you are openly admitting that Israel isn’t any better than a terrorist organization. Well done mate!
Saying that 50-60 trucks a day even 200 can satisfy the needs of 2.4Mln people is very hypocritical of you. Don’t forget that Israel isn’t doing anything to alleviate this situation and quite the opposite trying to make it even worse, punishing again civilian population. Mind you there aren’t any established humanitarian corridors, designated safe places, the north is more or less entirely cut and delivering aid there is next to impossible etc. so how easy would be to distribute this aid.
And speaking of economical recovery, if you think that Israel would have a hard time to recover tell me how much harder that recovery would be in Gaza. Where in the north according to independent estimates 50-60% of the civilian infrastructure is damaged and 20% in the south.
And by now it is quite obvious that you are extremely biased. But yes, still thinking that Israel are the only victim here and they are not to blame for anything. Not even for the impunity of violent settlers with which they are persecuting Palestinians in the West bank, or any other well documented human rights violations, which all those “corrupted” human rights watch groups have documented.
You know when everyone is saying that you are not doing enough to protect civilian population in Gaza, even your closest ally the US is saying this is time to look very good in the mirror and ask yourself whether they are all wrong or perhaps you are in the wrong.
About 650,000.
I’m not sure how many homes that 650,000 owned but I suspect a lot of them.
Your list of grievances are because Palestine is still at war with Israel. To attack a country and not expect reprisals and negative consequences for civilians is pretending the realities of war don’t exist. Peace is the path to ending said grievances.
Atrocities are perpetrated on both sides. That doesn’t excuse either of them nor does it justify committing them.
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That is not true, Israel is an state bound by international law, it must respect human rights, can not do this to anyone.
Hamas is not an state, can be considered a criminal organization and Israel state can fight it inside law limits. No state can, should not (in theory) carpet bombing civilians, killing thounsands of them, including children, in order to kill some hundreds of criminals.
Israel is an occupying state, palestinians has the right to rise against the Israel state.
And finally, why are IDF soldiers killing palestinians in Cisjordania?, Hamas is not there, the attacks did not not come from that place.
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“Hamas is the governing body in gaza and must also be bound by international law.” Yes, they should be arrested and put under trail, like germans generals and officers after WWII, some of them were hanged. To do that there are other ways.
“They must be held accountable for their actions and the actions of their elected leaders.” who are they? even children? Their leaders are in other places, like Qatar, why not carpet bombing there?
Ah so you mean to say October 7th was justified then.
War? Don’t wars usually have sovereign nations on each side, fielding actual militaries and such. Looks more like an ethnic cleansing operation to me. By one sovereign nation on an ethnically defined and enforced internal enclave that isn’t even recognized to be a real place by half the world
The military on one side are a group of cowards hiding behind civilians and under their infrastructure. There are two sides here. The government of Gaza aka terrorist group Hamas vs Israel.
If the existence of Hamas among Gazans makes them all terrorists then I guess the IDF makes Israel a terrorist state.
Anything other than that is a double standard.
They don’t care about Israeli soldiers’ lives. Don’t bother.