it’s a profession that gives a position of authority over others; and specifically over people who are quite vulnerable.
You may not have met them, but there are teachers that are psychopaths. Many of those teachers who are also psychopaths might also come off as quite lovely, too.
So… you’re response to “hey, you may not know any, but there are evil teachers out there,” is … to call me a liar? to call me batshit insane?
Interesting.
Lets get the simple thing out of the way first.
I said:
it’s a profession that gives a position of authority over others; and specifically over people who are quite vulnerable.
You may not have met them, but there are teachers that are psychopaths. Many of those teachers who are also psychopaths might also come off as quite lovely, too.
and you think that statement is “batshit insane”.
If you look at the list, excepting librarians, every single one of those careers provides people with authority over others, many of whom are vulnerable for one reason or another; and some amount of disciplinary or punitive powers. Are you saying that teachers don’t have a significant amount of authority over students? that they don’t have disciplinary powers over students (even if it’s highly regulated,)
Consider how many teachers you know, and how many teachers there are. A quick websearch says that there’s about 3.2 million public school teachers in the US, at an average ratio of about 15 students per teacher. Are you really going to tell me, in your morally superior screed, that I’m bat shit crazy for assuming that some of those teachers are in fact psychopaths? or sociopaths? or people who display tendencies attributed to such?
Edit: the reason I tagged librarians on there at the end, "for balance"is because they’re similarly public servants (like most the list except CEOS), but don’t necessarily have that control over people, and certainly no power to discipline anything at all. IMO this would provide something of a baseline. maybe not the best baseline, but something of one.
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but as to your assertion that I don’t know any teachers. I sit in on school board meetings when ever I have the chance- I can usually make about half of them, maybe a bit less. many of the meetings are of the general ‘we’d like to hear from the public’; or are of specific things (like responding to particular incidents that happened in the school, etc…) Some of the stuff that has been said by teachers; either as what passes for testimony, or during what’s basically an open mic:
a girl was raped by other students, this particular teacher said it was ‘god’s will’ that she was raped; and that it was because she was [sexually promsicious]. This was said with her sitting in the hearing, with her parents.
one particular teacher keeps insisting he needs to be allowed to carry a firearm in class. his justification is that schools have become more violent and it’s unsafe; while working in a district that is one of the safest and best funded (and to be honest, quite heavily policed,) districts in the state; and when directly asked, unable to articulate any incident in any of the district’s schools that would have justified the use of firearms; and that several SRO’s, including the ones stationed at HIS school have now decided to show up to these meetings, in uniform, specifically to call him out on his bullshit.
Significant numbers of teachers speaking on book bans and removals from the library; many on both sides of the issue, the ones on the wrong side of it can’t help but let their homophobia leak out, along with being quite deranged.
In a similar vein, another teacher insisted that [muslim students] needed to be removed to an alternative school (which among other students, is where students with excessive disciplinary problems are sent.). Their justification was because they were all terrorists.
that the best way to addressa perceived problem of lack of discipline is to allow teachers to use corporal punishment. in her words, “spare the rod, spoil the child.” This was at a hearing where she was facing termination for assaulting a student, whose sole offense was refusing to recite the pledge of allegiance- which is not, and has not been a thing here for decades; at least as far back as I was a student.
a handful times there were hearings about inappropriate teacher-student relationships. one thing they all seemed to have in common was that the teacher was emotionally manipulative and coercive. it might not be the most common thing in the world, but it does happen. there’s probably a teacher in your school (or kids school), abusing a student in an ongoing relationship as we speak.
teachers who also happen to be coaches justifying abusive coaching practices (like not providing heat breaks or access to water, just to start things off.).
Teachers who happen to be coaches excusing away sexual abuse perpetrated by their student athletes.
Teachers that excuse/justify/otherwise argue for dehumanizing students over bathroom access. for a variety of mostly-bullshit reasons.
Teachers that allow, encourage, or otherwise fail to report target harassment by students over one form of bigotry or another.
And that’s all just in the few years I’ve made a concerted effort to be in there, and just what I remember.
Maybe my school district is the odd one out. But I rather doubt that very much.
Did you even read my comment before posting 9 paragraphs? I didn’t say it was batshit insane to claim that there are sociopathic teachers. I said it was batshit insane to compare the rates of sociopathy in teachers to the rates among politicians, ceo’s, and police. Which it is.
it’s a profession that gives a position of authority over others; and specifically over people who are quite vulnerable.
You may not have met them, but there are teachers that are psychopaths. Many of those teachers who are also psychopaths might also come off as quite lovely, too.
I feel like maybe you don’t know any teachers. The fact that you lumped them in with politicians, ceos, and police is, quite frankly, batshit insane
So… you’re response to “hey, you may not know any, but there are evil teachers out there,” is … to call me a liar? to call me batshit insane?
Interesting.
Lets get the simple thing out of the way first.
I said:
and you think that statement is “batshit insane”.
If you look at the list, excepting librarians, every single one of those careers provides people with authority over others, many of whom are vulnerable for one reason or another; and some amount of disciplinary or punitive powers. Are you saying that teachers don’t have a significant amount of authority over students? that they don’t have disciplinary powers over students (even if it’s highly regulated,)
Consider how many teachers you know, and how many teachers there are. A quick websearch says that there’s about 3.2 million public school teachers in the US, at an average ratio of about 15 students per teacher. Are you really going to tell me, in your morally superior screed, that I’m bat shit crazy for assuming that some of those teachers are in fact psychopaths? or sociopaths? or people who display tendencies attributed to such?
Edit: the reason I tagged librarians on there at the end, "for balance"is because they’re similarly public servants (like most the list except CEOS), but don’t necessarily have that control over people, and certainly no power to discipline anything at all. IMO this would provide something of a baseline. maybe not the best baseline, but something of one.
(end of edits). but as to your assertion that I don’t know any teachers. I sit in on school board meetings when ever I have the chance- I can usually make about half of them, maybe a bit less. many of the meetings are of the general ‘we’d like to hear from the public’; or are of specific things (like responding to particular incidents that happened in the school, etc…) Some of the stuff that has been said by teachers; either as what passes for testimony, or during what’s basically an open mic:
And that’s all just in the few years I’ve made a concerted effort to be in there, and just what I remember.
Maybe my school district is the odd one out. But I rather doubt that very much.
Did you even read my comment before posting 9 paragraphs? I didn’t say it was batshit insane to claim that there are sociopathic teachers. I said it was batshit insane to compare the rates of sociopathy in teachers to the rates among politicians, ceo’s, and police. Which it is.