• unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de
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    2 months ago

    It is chemically indistinguishable. This is usually not the case for imitations or knockoffs in other market sectors. So it should be highlighted to prevent a misleading narrative.

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      This is usually not the case for imitations

      So what? That doesn’t make them not imitations or copies, and it’s called an exact copy and is not unusual, and it’s still a copy. No matter how accurate good and efficient, doesn’t change that it’s a copy of an original heavily researched product.
      These new weight loss medicines are Nobel Price material, no doubt it’s not the knock offs that will get the Nobel Price for copying what someone else did.

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        2 months ago

        The original comment you replied to said

        Yeah, they aren’t “knock-offs” or “imitations.” That is some bad reporting.

        They used quotes to point out that those words usually imply an inferior quality, something which doesn’t do what it says that it does, something that is produced without permission, etc.

        While the drugs may still be copies, word choice can affect how people perceive the quality / efficacy of them.

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          A knock off is a copy, a cheap knock off is a cheap copy.
          There is nothing inherent in knockoff that says it doesn’t work. That would be a fake.
          In medicine it’s quite common that cheaper copies or knockoffs are identical to the original product, and those are very common to become available when patents have expired.

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            There is nothing inherent in knockoff that says it doesn’t work. That would be a fake.

            While I can find definitions that call it “an inferior copy” (link), that’s not the point. Common usage has made it so that people will assume things about the quality or efficacy of the medication when certain words are used. Even if a word is technically correct, perceptions about the word can make it a bad choice.

            Often when patents expire and other options emerge, they are called “generics” or “store brand” versions. Those terms don’t carry the negative associations.

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              Even if a word is technically correct, perceptions about the word can make it a bad choice.

              I agree, I just find it strange that that is the perception of medicine that is a knockoff of an original, because that’s very common, is widely sold, and generally has the exact same effect as the original.
              A knockoff is also used for a cheaper copy of an original. Cheaper as in price, not necessarily quality, although that is often the case, it doesn’t have to be. As is usually NOT the case when it regards medicine. The cheaper copy (knockoff) can usually be used interchangeably.

              There are also knockoffs of Louis Vuitton products that are hard to identify even by experts. Louis Vuitton products are often not that expensive to make, so a knockoff can easily be cheaper, and have similar quality.
              But disregarding how close it comes, it will always be considered cheap because it’s a knockoff and not an original product.

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                What is your point? There’s a difference between a bag and a molecule and it really seems like you’re just embarrassing yourself.

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                  They were in too deep to give up, the only way forward was down.