Treatment for gender dysphoria aims to help people live the way they want to, in their preferred gender identity or as non-binary.
Some young trans, intersex, and gender non-binary people may decide to take puberty blockers after talking about it with their parents or guardian and a nurse or doctor.
What the fuck is wrong with Labour? Why are they so hardline on being transphobic.
I don’t see how it’s transphobic to think that an underage kid, with an undeveloped brain, might not be capable of making educated, permanent, life-altering decisions like this. Maybe the rest of you were all child prodigies, but I was a complete moron even at 18. There’s no way I should have been allowed to start a medication like that without first consulting several health professionals. Especially so, given that I did go through a few years in my teens where I felt like I was in the wrong body and got depressed because of it. It then turns out that no, I’m actually happy being male, I just like cock too.
Permanent decisions is a keyword here. Puberty blockers do just delay puberty for while they are taken. The kid can still go though their assigned at birth puberty at a later age, however they would not be able to fully undo the life altering consequences of going through the wrong puberty. So why are puberty blockers being banned? Remember this is not about giving kids treatment to go through a different puberty then assigned at birth
❤️exactly this!
I do not know about the NHS. In other countries it is required to see multiple specialists including a therapist and psychiatrist for over a year or two. It needs all of their approval stating that it is medically necessary, as well as both parents and the prescriber.
If this is not also the case in the UK, then it makes much more sense regulating healthcare rather than banning it completely even for those with obvious severe cases.
There is public concern that someone who isn’t trans might get trans healthcare. Completely overlooked is the fact that the majority of people getting trans medical treatment are in fact trans. This would be like banning any medical treatment completely because of the risk that someone may be misdiagnosed.
Don’t forget going through an unwanted puberty also has lifelong permanent effects as well as immediate self harm risk. For example, that child grows a beard, deep voice, masculine bone structure etc before finally being permitted healthcare as a woman. She will be living with the mental and physical effects of that for the rest of her life and suffering discrimination.
Don’t forget going through an unwanted puberty also has lifelong permanent effects
This is the best argument for starting early which is exactly what makes this topic so difficult and why nuanced discussion about it needs to be had rather than just calling the people transphobes who advocate for caution. If there was a way to make sure they’re not going to change their minds later then starting with the treatment as early as possible would seems like the obvious way to go, but it’s not quite that simple. And no, I’m not for blanket bans either.
If there was a way to make sure they’re not going to change their minds later then starting with the treatment as early as possible would seems like the obvious way to go, but it’s not quite that simple.
Except that’s fine if they do? If you stop taking puberty blockers, you start going through puberty. This is not some magic irreversible medication or something, for the ~1% that do change their mind this isn’t an issue.
I could maybe see this argument work for gender reassignment surgery, but not for puberty blockers.
We should let healthcare experts make healthcare decisions.
Agreed. Calling someone a transphobe is almost always counterproductive. It pushes people away, and even someone who is won’t feel shame about it.
Most people just have no experience with trans healthcare. They want to know that the kids are ok, because politicians have spent hundreds of millions of dollars exaggerating legitimate concerns to generate outrage.
Misdiagnosis is a concern that countries attempt to prevent with eligibility criteria and medical safety regulations. They are also financially incentivized to avoid being sued, and don’t want to pay out for anything medically unnecessary.
I just did a quick search and here is a list of what the NHS was requiring before someone underage could start treatment:
Nothing wrong with them (E: I mean, there’s lots wrong, but it’s nothing new or unexpected), they are functioning exactly as intended, and as promised.
They have never tried to even hide being this way, it’s just that people were too desperate to hear what they wanted to hear (“not tory”, and that’s where it ends), so here we are.
Finally. Gender identity is such a bullshit concept. My kids got caught up in this garbage, and I ended up letting it run its course. Neither of them are straight, but they realized on their own what a garbage take this all is. One of them got as far as becoming “therian” before snapping out of it. Others aren’t so lucky. Parents have been led to believe that they’ve gotta push this idea along.
Preventing access to medical services only results in harm, such as higher risk of suicide.
Parents have been led to believe that they’ve gotta push this idea along.
What idea, awareness and acceptance that LGBT+ people exist and deserve equal rights like any other individual?
https://www.thetrevorproject.org/resources/article/suicide-risk-factors/
https://www.thetrevorproject.org/resources/article/understanding-gender-identities-and-pronouns/
LGBT people do exist, and I think transexual people need those same protections. “Gender” on the other hand, has become an absolutely loaded term pushed to an extreme where it no longer is sane. One of my favorite people is hermaph, and the trans community has absolutely taken the spotlight away from issues that people face with this condition. So much so that it’s become detrimental to people who need actual protections and considerations.
Honestly, I believe it’s set back our social structure by an easy 20 years. We’re not teaching men that it’s okay to do things like paint their nails, etc – We’ve got this whole section of society that want to turn that guy into a woman because he wants to paint his nails; instead of just saying – It’s okay for dudes to paint their nails.
For a community that strives on “greyscale”, there’s a whooooole fucking lot of emphasis in staying in those gender roles by changing who you are, instead of just saying it’s okay to do the things you want to do AS you are. Puberty Blockers are not the way to solve this, and we need to remove gender-identity as a social acceptable and turn it around and let people know they can do things without changing or mutilating their bodies to do so.
Well, I agree that gender roles are stupid and every male or female should have similar challenges and changes in live. But I disagree that we forbid people to so with their bodies what they want, I think that is just as stupid as gender roles.
Depending puberty blockers, doesn’t it make sense to put this livelong change coming on hold, if a kid does not feel ready for it, so that the kid has more time to decide ? I mean it is not like we give them blockers away like smarties. And we not ask just any kid if they want those, kids that need those have clear traits.
Did your kid take those blockers?
Look, you have a lot of reading to do. Or better yet, talk to a trans person. In real life. Ask them about their experience. Ask them what that feel, how they want to be called. Ask them what’s up.
You have these strong opinions. Have they come from the people who are the subject of these opinions? This is your fellow man, always has been. Right now we are in a time where trans people can be “out”, and can talk to you openly about being trans. Don’t waste the opportunity because it might not last long.
Maybe you’re right in everything you say, but to be sure you need to talk to some real trans people face to face. There are plenty of them about. Go and do it.
So much so that it’s become detrimental to people who need actual protections and considerations
The same organizations that fight for LGBT+ rights do the same for intersex people too.
https://www.thetrevorproject.org/blog/intersex-not-invisible/
We’re not teaching men that it’s okay to do things like paint their nails, etc – We’ve got this whole section of society that want to turn that guy into a woman because he wants to paint his nails; instead of just saying – It’s okay for dudes to paint their nails.
For a community that strives on “greyscale”, there’s a whooooole fucking lot of emphasis in staying in those gender roles by changing who you are, instead of just saying it’s okay to do the things you want to do AS you are.
What are you on? In no universe are people trying to ‘turn people trans’ that’s not how any of this works. You fundamentally misunderstand the entire concept of gender acceptance and what it means to be transgender. Transgender is different from Nonbinary and Intersex.
Puberty Blockers are not the way to solve this, and we need to remove gender-identity as a social acceptable and turn it around and let people know they can do things without changing or mutilating their bodies to do so.
Puberty blockers are not ‘mutilation’. That’s just straight up right-wing disinformation and a fundamental misunderstanding of the reality of puberty blockers.
You should read the information put together by the Trevor Project if you genuinely want to learn more. They answer all the misconceptions you’ve demonstrated here.
LGB people absolutely exist, and transexual people exist, absolutely. Gender has become a hijacked term. Honestly it’s gotten way too out of hand.
Wow, you didn’t just “drop the T” in here. You should leave.
