• RIotingPacifist@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    You can never change who your parents are, that’s some real mental gymnastics to justify how hereditary acceptance criteria is good actually, but using race to identify those underservered by k-12 education, lacking in family connections, not having knowledge of college specific tricks to getting accepted & generally having less resources available to do the extra-ciricular activity to get in, and compensate for that bias is bad.

    Affirmative action is only silly if you don’t accept that systemic racism exists.

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      Affirmative action is only silly if you don’t accept that systemic racism exists.

      Just because AA isn’t “silly” doesn’t mean it’s a correct policy

      Most of AA “positives” can be achieved with income-based criteria, more seats in courses and the unachievable better base education and home environment

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        AA was meant to cause division not solve issues. Which becomes obvious when you realize having income-based criteria would help everyone that needed it, not just some black people that do and some that don’t.

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        Fine the mental gymnastics is to justify why hereditary admission criteria are more acceptable to you not “good”

        Yes the white kid does.

        • The racial biases of whoever runs the admission system
        • The racial biases of teachers at the school
        • The white kid is still more likely to benefit from hereditary admission and insider information on how to do well in admission tests/letter.

        To pretend a white kid in a predominantly black school doesn’t have an advantage in “colorblind” admissions is to deny the existence of systemic racism.

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            Without AA, racism in admissions is illegal.

            No positive measure to counteract systemic biases are illegal.

            Hereditary admissions when 80% of previous students were not black, is pretty explicitly racist and still very much legal

            All the implicit systemic biases in the admission system are very much legal

            The only thing you can’t do is ensure black kids get admitted.

            If you have a system and you know its giving you biases results you can compensate for the bias, without understanding every single component bias, that’s what AA was, banning it, is sticking your head in the sand and going back to faux/real Naïvity about how system racism works.

            We might as well start asking “why do black people prefer renting?”, because as a nation we are commited to pretending to not understand that there are systemic reasons for things.

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              when 80% of previous students were not black, is pretty explicitly racist and still very much legal

              Black people only make up 12.6% of the population. If 80% of previous students aren’t black, then black students are heavily over-represented in the student body.

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          The racial biases of whoever runs the admission system

          Can be biased both for or against the student based on who the specific administrators are.

          The racial biases of teachers at the school

          Can be biased both for or against the student based on who the specific teachers are.

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            Sure buddy, and if you’re too stupid to get into any college you might believe both those have the same chance of happen 🤣

      • Iteria@sh.itjust.works
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        Yes. If a white person applies to an HBCU they can get minority scholarships. There was a big story about it a few years ago where a white person wrote about their experience being a minority and turns out being a minority sucks no matter who the majority is.