A huge deal was made one gay guy was killed for being gay last year. Its doubtful they were killing thousands or people would’ve similarly noticed.

And LGBTQ rights. But I would say it’s true for any theocratic states, except for to its credit Isreal. It just happens to be that most of the ones in today’s world are Muslim. The Christian Fascists of the US are trying to turn the US into a theocratic state as well, and when our laws are based on religion, it’ll be terrible for LGBTQ, too.

Just because they’re not out, doesn’t mean they’re not gay. Israel has 100% killed more LGBTQ Palestinians recently just from all their bombings.

Genocide+

Thank God they’re finally building some chip plants here. The fact that our whole economy depends on some foreign island next to a huge country that has always hustorically threatened to take it back is insane to me. Although I think we should have more manufacturing in the homeland in general. Thanks capitalism, for off shoring manufacturing for the last many decades -_-

Because Trump said what he was going tk do and people didn’t like. He didn’t even win the majority and had revealed himself tk he racist and sexist, of course people were going to protest him.

Thanks for the perspective! So the people saying the US did it, so Israel can do it too, are even more wrong than I thought!

People are losing their jobs just for asking for a ceasefire, not even for saying anything antisemitic. It’s insane. I still feel sorry for that Scream 7 actress.

You mean sending aid to the country defending itself from a much larger more dangerous country rather than the one that’s wrecking a tiny already occupied open air prison just fine by itself? And the first enemy actually poses a danger to our politics and elections, while the second enemy can barely get fresh food and water let alone exert any international influence at all? Hm… Nah, makes too much sense for US politicians… That won’t do.

They have a cure already. They have giant walls, the iron dome missile defense system, hundreds of drones patrolling Gaza, supposedly a state of the art intelligence apparatus, mass mandatory recruitment (well… Except for the orthodox Jews), large towers, fences, etc. There’s a reason this is unprecedented. They just had their resources positioned to take over West Bank settlements instead, and ignored warnings from multiple sources about an imminent attack. Their leadership fucked up. And are continuing to fuck up by positioning the rest of the world against their genocide.

The thing is more genocide won’t fix the cancer. The US figured that out in Vietnam, North Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. It just makes the survivors want to kill you more. That doesn’t fix the cancer like you think it does. It was fine for the US to fuck up those other places because we can just leave and we often make a bunch of money during the conflict, but Israel can’t. They need to learn to coexist, take lessons from places like South Africa, or the UK and IRA. It was actually negotiating that stopped the attacks in those places. They tried the killing everyone thing for awhile but it doesn’t work.

Personally, I think the cure is teaming up with a local alternative secular group, like the PLO, and empowering them without undermining their authority and support by doing things like the shit they do in the West Bank, or preventing travel between the two sectors from, or controlling their water, power, food supply, etc, or giving up on negotiations because Hamas does an unrelated terrorism. It’s like negotiating with MLK, Jr so you don’t have to negotiate with Malcolm X. Hamas has negative popularity but no one has the resources to stop them, and no random civilians are going to bother trying to while Israel controls more aspects of their daily life in a more obviously negative way (electricity, water quality, incoming supplies, travel, work visas, drone buzzing, etc.). And to demand you do before helping them even though you have all the power in the relationship is like the cops telling a mom and pop shop to try fighting the mafia first before they do something about the mafia extorting them.

Stop Israel oppression of Palestine so Hamas doesn’t have a cause to recruit people behind? They’re already not supported by the majority of people in Gaza, but if someone is left an orphan because Israel bombed their block, of course they’ll be easier to recruit to Hamas.

Nah they’re doing pretty great at it. Maybe a little too fast this time, normally they’re better at taking the land and killing people slow enough to give the US and other Western allies some plausible deniability, but since no one is stopping them still, you can’t even hold that against them.

Ah I see. Thanks again!

Holy strawman! I never said all the Israelis have to leave. I said they should share the land, like every other developed country in the world that has black people and white people that live in the same areas, or natives and immigrants, etc. I’m not against immigration, I’m against using it as manpower to violently disposess natives and sweep people from their homes, then giving the immigrants better rights while pushing the people who lived there to smaller and farther areas until you get all their land. You know, settler colonialism. Just give everyone the same rights and protections.

There’s a reason there’s only 20% Palestinian Israelis. They were all violently kicked out, then kept in these small, dense settlements of Gaza and the West Banks, and they need special citizenship and passports to travel to Israel or even from one to the other.

I was talking about the nakba, but the West Bank settlements also applies, I suppose. We can call them illegal, but Netanyahu has christened a bunch of them despite what the international community thinks, and it’s still happening.

Really good write up! I appreciate the effort put into it.

It is really sad the persecution of Jewish people, and I definitely sympathize. But the only part I want to clarify is that you kind of glossed over the nakba in that part where the British stopped holding the peace. If it was just a small continuous trickle of Jewish refugees into Palestine, no one would have a problem with it, except for the normal anti-immigration folks. But it’s that part where you decide to give part of the country away and then the violent disposession of people from their homes to enforce it that seems wrong, and should ring familiar with those who know about the genocide of the Indians in the US.

But I blame the British and UN, too. They’re the ones who offered to cut pieces away from a country to offer to the immigrants. It’s like if your landlord came in and said you’re going to have to rent one of your bedrooms to his nephew, and even though you’re the one who lives there and pays rent, you can’t argue because he’s the landlord.

And I even understand the desire to secure a homeland at all costs after such a huge, terrible event of the holocaust. But that doesn’t mean I agree with it, and the consequences continue to reverberate to this day show partly why. Working for peace and seeing the signs of fascism to prevent it from happening again is the answer, not a might makes right apartheid ethnostate. There’s some lesson here about violence leading to violence.

Black people have gone through their own shit here in the United States, and while some people have suggested just leaving the country and making their own place in Africa, I think Martin Luther King, Jr’s dream was a much better idea (seriously, read the history of Liberia, it’s filled with violence and oppression towards the natives followed by them rising up, and then civil wars even into the 2000’s). Just make the place here the kind of place that’s better. And while it’s not perfect, it’s way better than it used to be, and I think he was proven right.

It was external settlers generally, especially starting around the Law of Return being a thing. Wikipedia and other sources says about 50% come from Europe and Russia, and the other generally from the surrounding Middle Eastern countries once Israel became a thing and started calling people towards it. Even today, lots of people immigrate there from Europe or the US.

Are you talking from thousands of years ago? That’s a strange justification to kick people out of their houses in the last 70 years, but I am down to read other sources if you’ve got them. I am admittedly still pretty new to this whole subject.

Was Rabin the one assassinated by a Zionist who was so close to making a good treaty? If so, we need more of those.

I think they mean they just share the land with the Palestinians, the people who they threw out when they got there.

If the US can manage it with African Americans or Native Americans, or South Africa can manage it post apartheid, or the UK can manage it after the Troubles, I think it’s possible. It won’t be easy, but it’s worth the work to stop the violence.

Or Reddit. But don’t look at Reddit lol.

Oh I see. You were talking about the US, I was talking the USSR. I get it. It gets harder to reply to these as the posts get longer and longer lol.