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Not this shit again

Prodigy is in about the right time period too.

People often think of this as a Tory problem, but it makes Labour jizz their pants just as much.

That works. So it’s abortion not murder.

And yet I’m DS9 Bashir says that murdering a clone of yourself is still murder. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ But maybe that was Bayorian law.

Should do the same with the congestion charge too.

They’ll be on licence for the rest of their lives following that though. The minimum term on a life sentence is just the custodial part.

Problem with that is FPTP. The UK like the USA is pretty much a two part system. Both of the main parties stuck with the will of the people narrative.

2017 they voted Theresa May to do Brexit

Only just, and against Jeremy fucking Corbyn.

People voted Boris Johnson in 2019 to “get Brexit done”.

At that point I think people just wanted it over with. Even remainers as the political paralysis was in and if itself starting to cause problems.

Probably. But they weren’t actively being lied to.

Exactly. Thank you.

It’s no wonder Leave were so aggressive with shouting down calls for a second referendum after they won It’s no wonder also that they made such a thing out of the will of the people. They knew full well that their margin was razor thin.

They knew as well that this razor thin margin was heavily weighted towards older people and that as each month passed (even if people couldn’t already see that Brexit was a shit show) that the majority was getting eaten away as younger people turned 18 and older people passed away.

No. 48.11% of us knew that. 51.89% were sold a lie.

Well, actually, probably a few of that 51% knew that. But a lot of thought (because much of the leave campaign literally said so) that we could leave and have some kind of EEA agreement.

I don’t know how you got that from what I said.

A lot of what has happened in Brexit was what remain said would happen but were told during the campaign that what they were saying was “project fear”

Leave won by a margin of 3.78%. There was also very little talk of leaving the single market. In fact much of the talk that there was of that came from the Remain campaign and was shouted down as project fear.

Wot?

Well I feel stupid

Um speaking as a Brit, has she seen the state of our politics since Brexit?

The point of a team is that no one person is a point of failure.

Exactly. Tuvix is a potential single point of failure. You’re doubling your risk. Eggs and baskets.

Factoring in a hypothetical future scenario is spurious.

Why? It goes hand in hand with your point about points of failure. It’s something that would have had to be considered. Voyager wasn’t snug and safe in the alpha quadrant where they could just go to a starbase and get more crew members if they lost any.

And not one person has even tried to reconcile the speech to the Vidiians.

It’s right there in the speech I will do whatever is necessary to protect my people

At the end of the day the murder of Tuvix pales into insignificance compared to her out and out genocide of the Borg. All to protect her people and get them home.

I don’t personally think the murder of Tuvix was justifiable, but it’s definitely not an open and shut case. Janeway had to consider 150 people and their chances of surviving and getting home in one piece she also had to consider Tuvok and Neelix.

even addresses the “needs of the many” argument by stating the truth: the other two are gone and the new being is there.

articulate case for their life, and even addresses the “needs of the many” argument by stating the truth: the other two are gone and the new being is there

That only addresses the needs of Tuvok and Neelix. What about the rest of the crew whose chances of survival and reaching home are materially hindered by the effective loss of a crew member. Presumably Tuvix isn’t going to work 8 hours in the galley then straight away 8 hours on tactical. What if there’s an emergency that needs both skillets at the same time? What if Tuvix is killed in six months time on an away mission?

It’s true that Tuvok and Neelix were gone, but the option now existed to have them both back. So the fact that they were gone is reductive and inaccurate. Again ultimately Janeway has around 150 lives to think of, not just three.

The doctor straight up says that the procedure is unethical and refuses to do it.

Because he’s a doctor. I doubt he’d be able to order someone into a jefferies tube to fix an ODN conduit in an active warp plasma shaft. Yet that’s literally part of the bridge officers test. https://youtu.be/rC6rGoyEe2s?si=ho_FOBjSaUdTRurX

The question to me isn’t whether Janeway murder Tuvix, but was the murder of Tuvix justifiable. In Star Trek 2 Spock famously states “the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few” in TNG Thine Own Self Troy learns that sometimes an officer must order a crew member into a situation where they know that person isn’t coming back.

Does the situation Voyager was in and the creation of Tuvix represent the same level of danger “to the many” that say an imminent warp core breach does?

England: oh I’m a lion

Scotland: motherfuck unicorn man

Wales: rawww dragon time

Ireland: umm rabbit?