I am against animal agriculture for the same reason I am against sexism, racism, ableism, classism and homophobia.

The circumstances of a creatures birth does not dictate what it is “meant for”, every one deserves to live happy, healthily and with dignity, but some simply want to live.

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Cake day: January 4th, 2024

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  • The court’s decision to dismiss evidence obtained from Mossack Fonseca’s servers on grounds of “due process” is a masterstroke of legal gymnastics. It’s as if the smoking gun in a murder case were deemed inadmissible because the detective forgot to say “please” when collecting it.

    Shameless. And despite the evidence being known to exist, that “due process” will never happen when so many current and former heads of state are on the defendant list.

    World leaders and politicians:

    • David Cameron: Former British Prime Minister
    • Volodymyr Zelensky: Current President of Ukraine
    • Mauricio Macri: Former President of Argentina
    • Iceland’s Prime Minister (unnamed in the search results, but known to be Sigmundur Davíð Gunnlaugsson), who resigned due to the scandal

    Celebrities and sports figures:

    • Lionel Messi: Argentine football icon
    • Pedro Almodovar: Spanish filmmaker

    Business figures:

    • Aliko Dangote: Africa’s richest man

    As we watch these 28 defendants walk free, let us not forget the true victims of this charade: the countless millions who bear the burden of a system rigged against them.



  • Maeby: And the worst part is he thinks he’s passing.

    Yes, her motivation was make Steve Holt not interested but fundamentally the joke is that Steve wouldn’t be attracted to trans woman, which is what happens. Which honestly makes the whole joke worse.

    And even if you don’t care about that, Maeby’s motivation doesn’t matter because she still uses transphobia as a way to harass Lindsey behind her back.

    I honestly find the whole thing so upsetting and not even remotely funny.





  • You can think that, but understand that it is a theory that the government is conspiring to keep knowledge tech the public.

    Look, I can’t and won’t try to change your mind, seems like you have already decided it’s happened. But you should understand that their is no evidence to believe in telepathy. That doesn’t mean impossible, but if you choose to believe it is possible AND invented in the early 90s that is entirely a you choice. Much like choosing to believe in god.

    So sure, believe whatever. Just know that without evidence it will be difficult to get serious people to take you serious.



  • This is pure blackpill. I’m really sorry you are in this position, but you truly need to talk this over with a therapist. You’re not unlovable, but when you think and talk like this women, rightfully, see nothing but red flags. And then your loneliness become a self fulfilling prophecy.

    There is nothing wrong with you, except for the fact that you believe everything is wrong with you. A relationship is literally the last thing you need, instead focus on your own mental health and serenity.

    This thread is a form of self harm. I know therapy is hard, but arguging with strangers about how terrible you are won’t ever make things better. Tending to your mental health will.





  • Yeah but batman is literally just as crazy as the villains he fights. Gotham is just glad he has a weird justice obsession instead of a weird clown or scarecrow kink. That’s more interesting than superman just being perfect at everything. I’ve been reading through “Alan Moore in the DC universe” and like, each of the superman stories are just so one note. He is good at everything, until a random mcguffin comes up and then another charcter comes along to pick it off the ground, and then Supes beats up whoever brought the evil space flower to him in the first place.

    I’ll be intrigued to see how Gunn handles him too, but in a life time of reading comics the only superman stories I found interesting was elseworld stuff red son and kingdom come where they treat him as a concept more than a charcter.

    Main universe or any of the movies? Meh.




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    hypocrites who call out others while justifying their own ethical blind spots are typically more interested in self-righteousness than actually improving the world.

    Exactly. I agree completely, but scroll up and remember I didn’t call ANYONE out in my original comment. I came to this thread because my perspective was asked for in the title. You came to me with a “but plants” trying to call MY beliefs out. So think whatever you want, but frankly, leave me the hell alone. This isn’t a discussion I asked for, it’s not on topic and you’re not saying anything interesting.


  • If you can argue that the line is between animals and plants, then someone else can argue the line is between animals and humans.

    See, this is where you are just throwing your hands up and giving up on an sort of ethics. Because it’s theoretically possible for plants to feel pain then there is no reason to act moral when it comes to animals who we KNOW feel pain.

    It’s like saying “porn with adults is harmful, but so is porn with children, who is to say where the line is? It’s an open question that is all perspective, so consume whatever you like”. When we know for a fact that sexual abuse of children causes suffering as opposed to what consenting adults do for a job.

    Saying plants feel pain is motivated reasoning to call vegans hypocrites, not to actually produce a better world. I did not message you with my beliefs, you messaged me with whataboutism. 99% of the food humans eat is living in some sense (aside from minerals like salt), yeast in my bread is alive in some sense, but comparing that life to an animal as a reason it may not be matter? That it’s all perspective? Well then why not draw the line around cannibalism of anyone under a certain IQ. If consciousness is such an open question, then who is to say anyone is real except for myself? If I hurt another human, who is to say that they feel at all? It could all be simulation from a certain perspective so who cares?

    This sort of “what if” and “it depends” whataboutism doesn’t actually help anyone. I didn’t bring veganism to you, you brought this to me. This is just naval gazing because calling vegan hypocrites makes you more secure in your own choices. You’re not saying anything of value,


  • No. It’s really not. I know the study you are going to link with the clickbait title that “plants feel pain”, but it’s unscientific garbage.

    When you cut a plant, it only reacts with a secretion. That’s not sentience, it has no concept of pain because it literally does not have the required parts to feel it. Pain requires a nerve ending to feel the sensation, a brain to process that sensation in to an threat and a system to connect those two organs. Plants have none of this.

    Yes plants release a pheromone when they are cut, but to extrapolate that to pain is a wild leap. If I cut an animal, they bleed, they yell, and they either run away or attack me, they generally do the same for their children. Exactly like humans react when cut. It’s impossible to disprove if plants have some other totally radically different type of intelligence we just don’t understand yet, but there is no evidence to suggest that is the case. I am making my choices based off evidence, not “idk, what if it was true”. It’s the same reason I know the earth is round and not flat, evidence not vibes.

    It is intellectually dishonest to say that a potato and a pig perceive the world in the same way.


  • I don’t eat meat because it causes suffering in another. Plants have no concept of pain without a brain, nervous system or even nerve endings. So to me, the question becomes if the lab grown meat was ever attached to a brain that could feel suffering.

    Now as far i understand it, lab grown meat isn’t nessecarily grown in isolation from a cow. But in a solution primarily compromised of blood extracted from living cows. That’s without question better than killing a creature, buuuuuuut we all know that when profits are involved the health of a animal is not prioritized.

    So it really depends, while I don’t miss meat, once lab grown becomes widely available I’ll make my choice depending on the exact process of how it reached the grocery store.


  • Ticket prices originally used to be fixed by the goverment, which made airlines try to offer the best experince as a way to attract customers. But then lobbyists chanted “deregulation” enough times and airlines could set their own prices. Which of course started a race to the bottom where the way to attract customers was now to slash costs. It’s a big reason how back in the 50s being a commercial airline pilots or flight attendent was prestigious profession, became today where most of a flight crew, pilot included, qualify for SNAP.