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What did you use?

You should read the whole article. It’s really not that long.

Yes, in spite of all the efforts decade after decade there has been no solution. Sometimes it was close (like when Arafat and Rabin shook hands) but any progress was always destroyed by the extremists on one side or the other, or by outside interests.

I don’t think there’s a solution. External pressure will hopefully stop this escalade, but the conflict will persist.

Your “very superficial explanation” is already orders of magnitude deeper than most people’s understanding of the conflict.

How is nuclear energy “still fossil”?

You think that will fix the underlying issue? How naive.

You can read the thread yourself, I’m not going to waste my time if you refuse to do that.

I see, so the solution is to stop being Jew, or better yet, to simply die. Got it. Thanks.

Sure, we don’t want no context here. That only makes this less black and white, and nobody ain’t got time for that.

From one old and tired person to another, thanks for adding context to what is usually context-less and naive platitudes around here.

I’m in the “this is not black and white” camp, but what Israel is doing now is indefensible, even when considering the inhuman atrocities Hamas committed on October 7th. Bombing a refugee camp in the hopes of killing a few Hamas terrorists is just crazy. Flattening a city full of civilians for the same reason is just crazy.

That said, I don’t know what the answer is. I honestly believe there’s no solution to this conflict. Proposing that Israel remove the border controls and let the Palestinians roam free, given the number of terrorists in their ranks, is just hopelessly naive. They should absolutely return the illegal settlements, but even if they do that (sadly they won’t), the terrorists won’t stop.

Israel has never been the victim in this conflict.

You have to be fucking kidding me.

Both sides have been victims of their respective leaderships for decades.

The Palestinians have been victims of the Zionists, especially the religious right with their illegal settlements.

The Israelis have been victims of the Islamic terrorists, currently led by Hamas, whose explicit goal is to eradicate every Jew.

You can’t seriously look at this conflict and ignore half the story.

That’s a nice saying. It’s also a deflection from answering the question.

I don’t agree with what Israel is doing, but I also don’t see what an appropriate response would have been. Certainly not responding was not an option. And innocent civilians are going to be victims in any form of response.

Wait, what? I haven’t been following these last few days. Can you share a link?

I’m sorry, I realize I’m going in circles, repeating myself comment after comment.

My parents fled the Holocaust and even though I don’t consider myself Jewish, by ethnicity and by family history I am. I think nobody deserves to be killed no matter what.

I hope there’s a solution and that I’m wrong. I hope my opinion is not based on experience but on the fact that I’m old and jaded.

I’m not blaming an ethnicity, I don’t care what ethnicity anyone is. I’m blaming religious extremism.

I commend you for your optimism, I wish everyone thought like you. The world would be a better place.

But in this case, all of that has been tried, and it failed. It should absolutely continue to be tried, and I want to be clear that I don’t support what Israel is doing right now, but let’s not kid ourselves. There’s no solution, there will never be one.

Yep.

Do you’re realize the Palestinians were given that option and they rejected it?

Everything you described sounds great, it’s the reasonable and kind way to think, but I keep asking the same question: how do you do that with a population whose most extreme members, which are a significant proportion, have one mission in life, and that is to kill every single one of you, not just because of your oppression (that’s a contributing factor of course) but because of your religion?

Also, in this case, you’d need to overcome the religious extremists not just in the population you want to integrate, but in other countries who are using that population to attack you by proxy.

Tell me, how do you solve this?

Sure, but terrorism and war is not like domestic violence. That analogy is disingenuous.

I haven’t listened to my country’s propaganda, even though I know the general attitude here is mostly in favor of Palestine. I know the history of this conflict from my own family history