They’re the peasants that revolt against their local lord while still being loyal to the king, because surely the problem is just that the king has bad advisors and the local lord is corrupt!

Regulations don’t work when they don’t get implemented, which means your ideas are purely ideas and not materialistic solutions. There aren’t going to be any regulations, don’t you get it? That ship has so obviously sailed.

There isn’t a better solution that’s not radical and that’s why radical solutions all that’s left!

This is literally idealism.

You have an idea about a market solution to the problem, and then act like you’ve solved the problem.

The problem isn’t a lack of ideas! The problem is a lack of implementation! You have to get these ideas into the real world somehow, and revolution is the only way you can do that. There are billionaires aligned against implementing these ideas. You have to stop them.

Fascism always goes hand-in-hand with vigilantism.

It’s the year 2050. The robot apocalypse didn’t happen because the robots just want to play vidya and smoke cyber weed.

But is our contribution minuscule compared to theirs? Like let’s say one man sells (an equal amount of) gasoline to a thousand people. Is that one man now contributing 1000x more to greenhouse gas emissions than any one of those people?

But that’s not all he’s doing!

He then takes the revenue from selling gasoline and uses it to bribe politicians and hire lobbyists and invest in more oil refining/exploration; he’s making the problem even worse.

Meanwhile, the people he sells the gasoline to don’t have any real choice but to buy it. They need to work to live, and they can’t get to work without gas because Mr. Gasoline destroyed public transportation infrastructure.

Stop trying to flatten everything down to only the carbon footprint (a metric made by the oil industry to absolve themselves on responsibility). They used that money from selling gasoline to convince you that you are equally to blame for climate change as billionaire oil families and it’s absolute nonsense.

Uh huh, and if a rubber stamp judge gives wiretapping permission every time the cops ask for it?

They tried, but “violating everyone’s privacy works” was also an inescapable point. Really undercut the message by making it so effective.

Absolutely! Doesn’t change the fact that Biden’s warning is toothless bluster. If he actually tried to end US investment in China it would collapse the world economy. It’s a M.A.D. world

Our contribution is miniscule compared to our enemies, and we only contribute what we have to because they sabotaged all alternatives! They killed public transportation, they made neighborhoods and cities unwalkable, they turned cyclists (like me!) into 2nd class citizens of the road, and more.

I’d sell my car if I could. I can’t and it’s their fuckin fault!

We are not the same as them. They are the enemy and they must be stopped before they kill us all.

Well before they were an apartheid ethnostate, sort of like America used to be. Democratic, kinda, but only for some.

I guess this is worse?

There are specific people who are, together, responsible. The oil execs that chose to cover up the truth about global warming, the meat industry execs who did the same, the hucksters that sell the lie of carbon sequestration and ethanol fuel and hydrogen fuel as solutions, the investors that continue to pump money into oil exploration projects, and the politicians that have stopped any meaningful progress from happening. There are, in fact, individual people that we can point to and say “they are the problem” - it’s not abstract.

We have enemies and they’re killing us.

You’re treating the threat as something abstract, like there aren’t specific people who are to blame for destroying the world. As if it’s no one’s fault, so violence falls on anyone in the name of survival. Even puppies and kittens lol

I think we have to treat climate change as the same class of threat as someone shooting at us, and that means identifying the shooters and … “disarming” them.

Well, no, I’m not that greedy for life. After a certain point it’s not worth it and I’ll just make it quick and painless. Life isn’t always preferable to death, I’d need to be able to live with myself afterwards!

Do you actually think this scientist was trying to say “there is no hope we’re all going to die”?

If that’s the case, the only thing left is revenge.

That’s going to be a lot uglier than self defense.

Yes.

I won’t die quietly.

Sure, but that’s the point - a death sentence isn’t certain death anymore, so saying this milestone is a death sentence is completely accurate.

Or do you think these scientists actually meant “we are all 100% going to die”?

Probably.

Billionaires seem to think nature is irrelevant. See: Elon Musk and his Mars fetish lol

There’s an island full of laborers already in New Zealand. The COVID response showed that they were willing to protect people already living there, so their response to climate change will be the same.

Okay, but this isn’t the 1400s

These days people recognize a death sentence as an injustice that can be stopped.