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Depending how the Maldives is doing this (is it based on Israeli Citizenship or is it based on Israeli Nationality?)

It’s in the article - passports!

It doesn’t make any difference, since because there really aren’t any supporters of Israel in this thread, you will just open on anyone you assume is one with walls and walls of text (with which I mostly agree with you) but on a topic nobody put forward and in this condescending manner that is just meant to offend people. You haven’t tried to understand my argument at all, you haven’t even read the bloody article, you just want to scream at somebody.

So since you are this terrible at reading - let me put it again just for you and you only, I’ll try to be blunt:

The tragedy here is that Israel says in response to the 7/10 that all Gazans are guilty, they all deserve to die. That is not acceptable, that is called collective punishment. And Maledives are justifying Israels approach by doing the same. Now Israel can say:

" Look ! Maledives are also using the same principle of collective punishment / collective responsibility and the World is praising them! “They are all antisemites and they are all using “special meter” on us and different meter on everyone else:”. /s

…and what is worst - in this case they have a point! This exactly what we don’t need right now. They could have just banned the settlers, or they could have just banned those several settlers Biden has banned and that would be perfectly fine. This is clumsy at best - no - It’s just tragically stupid. It’s costing us time that Gazans don’t have.

I would like to point out that for some time I’ve felt bad for also wrongly accusing somebody without reading it all ironically also in regard to the Gaza conflict, but you are so much worse than I am.

Please read the article.

You haven’t read the article. It says Israeli passport holders.

I expected to get downvoted, I got downvoted, I am not angry. Reverse psychology? Manipulate? Are you 100% sure you are not talking about yourself?

And yet your post implied some sort of equivalency.

Equivalency - I have to confess English isn’t my first language and I am not sure I understand what you mean specifically/ in what context. Would you please care to explain?

As for the blanket ban - while it wasn’t my comment, I don’t find it unreasonable - how would you describe a rule advertised as punishing extremist Zionism that also punishes both post Zionists and anti Zionists all the same?

Nobody is saying we’re going to block the Palestinians from traveling anywhere. Only the perpetrators, not the victims.

Well that is pitty, because they’ve just blocked 2 millions of Palestinians living in Israel proper - Demographics of Israel, wikipedia

Banning someone from your resort island is the same sort of punishment of civilians as killing them?

No, but punishing population for the actions of their government is always bad, always unacceptable, and specially when the country isn’t even democratic like Israel never was. For one thing - this ban does not only affect Israelis, but also 2 millions of Palestinians who live in Israel proper. Wikipedia - Demographics of Israel

South Korea or Brazil also doesn’t have regular citizens? How about Switzerland? List of 85 countries that had mandatory military services in 2023.

There were economic sanctions, there was a huge wave of divestment, but all that was pointed at the institutions of the state - not at its citizens ( like this unfortunate decision of Maledives).

Edit: how much sense would it make blocking black citizens of SA from visiting your country -simply because they live under apartheid?

IMO the equivalency is in how you’ve chosen those individuals that don’t deserve to live / that are no longer allowed to enter…

Thank you! I don’t think I’ve been this proud for getting down voted lately. And I don’t blame you - I hope your motivation is same as mine - to end the tragedy that is currently happening in Gaza ASAP. IMO - You just aren’t terribly adult about it, but I trust that you will get there <3

That is exactly the point - I don’t think one can use terms like “majority” and “assume” to justify collective punishment, because that is exactly what the Israelis are doing right now.(But I am obviously wrong )

This is ubelievably dumb. Israel is not even a democracy. Yes, they may have some democratic laws, but they are also 70+ years under the state of emergency. There isn’t free press. Israelis are getting locked up for protesting for peace, for refusing to fight in a apartheid war, even for liking facebook comments supporting Palestine. Aplying collective punishment / collective responsibility under such circumstances (as generally under any circumstances) not only doesn’t support the plight of palestinian refugees, it goes against it!

I understand their (Maledives) motivation, but this is not the way. You can’t punish all Palestinians for the crimes of the few, nor can you punish all Israelies for the crimes of the many.

Go ahead and downvote me.

A colleague wanted to throw out Lenovo IdeaPad Duet 3, 10IGL5 (a tablet pc with IMO cool keyboard that can be disconnected and used over bluetooth, 4 core intel CPU taking like 5W & 8GB of ram). Originally bought for his kid but it is absolutely useless under windows. I’ve tested it with current Ubuntu with somewhat meh results (BT keyboard won’t work, no chance to get the automatic screen rotation going, screwy on screen keyboard) then I have installed Fedora and the thing is absolutely amazing. Everything works out of the box, I haven’t done anything “smart” at all and honestly as a XFCE (still deep in x11) user I am amazed how well the Wayland is doing on this. I would dare to say better out of the box experience than Apple - everything is similarly polished but you don’t have to register / pay anything. Now my teamleader is taking it to presentations. He connects the display over USB-C adapter to the projector, walks over the room and controls it with the BT keyboard - Mac wielding accounts are starting to cry. As docker/podman is native he continues to spin up the whole app in a container - at which point every technical person in the room needs to know what the f is that thing?! They are no longer being manufactured though, newer version does not have that cool keyboard…

Would you please share with us where is Israel providing building materials and money to Gaza?

What is the point if saying that you don’t compare and than compare anyway?

Sorry. By that I meant that even here, in our “safe Europe” our religious belives sometimes reach beyond what I believe should be allowed in a healthy society. Only the scale/method is wildly different - such that it “does not stand comparison”.

I don’t believe these 3000 individuals faithfully represent the 5+ milion Muslims who live in Germany nor the almost 2 bilion Muslims in the world.

What I do belive they represent is violent religious extremism. And that is not limited to Muslims. You got Buddhists shooting people in Myanmar, Jews shooting people in the west bank, Hindu stoning people in India and even 1st world American Christians shooting on plant parenthood clinics…

We should be vigillant whenever a religions doctrine gets into conflict with what we understand are basic human rights. I am not confident we are. I am not comparing PIS to idk Hamas - but how many women have died in Poland due to their anti-abortion laws and how is that acceptable?

Yes, life in Gaza is life in poverty without prospects for the future. Yes, the settler movement in the West Bank is fomenting discord and robs the Palestinians of hope and rights and, increasingly, lives. And the suffering of the civilian population now at war is a fact, a terrible fact.

You are right and I am wrong I haven’t read the whole video. I am ashamed. Insert whichever invective you like - I have few. There is no excuse.

This could have been expressed in a single sentence: The fact that Israel is punishing all citizens of Ghaza for Hamas attacks does not mean that Germans should act the same towards the Jews (but we don’t mind if you do towards Iranians and such). Tragic.