• Obinice@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    Damn, a lot of “Fuck Afghanistan, hoo rah America is great” kinda vibes in here :-/ I left Reddit to get away from the constant USA Defaultsm nonsense…

    Yes, let’s ignore the most important issue - people are suffering and as decent humans we have a duty to them, when we can instead use it as an excuse to point out how much better Americans are at being a country, etc etc :-(

    • SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world
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      1 year ago

      My impression of reddit was the opposite. Lots of people who have never set foot outside of their town saying America was the worst place on earth.

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      Honestly fuck that? USA, it’s intentions mixed as they were, at least tried to help - and that’s a country that already had experience in influencing growth and change in other countries. I can’t really see other options for them.

      Yeah, they are in a bad place but please let’s not forget that they actually worked to be in that place. So screw that, my heart goes to them but they’re lost case for now, until they are ready to fight for themselves.

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        Help in what way? The USA’s attention on Afghanistan lasted a few months at best, then it turned entirely over to Iraq. Sure, we’ve picked at a few terrorist leaders, but it turned into a damn whack-a-mole game and the USA prioritized getting oil and went on a crusade against civilians and opposing forces for a tragedy most of them didn’t have anything to do with.

        That’d be like asking someone to help you move some furniture into your house, but they help you for 20 minutes before deciding that the neighbor across from you has better shit and looked at them funny, is a concern so they fuck up their entire home and family.

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          1 year ago

          If you look at infant mortality rates, one thing we can at least take a shred of pride in is how they fell during the US occupation.

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      1 year ago

      we have a duty to them

      So you mean reoccupy them right? Because that seems like the only option in order to force the local bad actors out. Or if you mean foreign aid, then you’re directly funding the Taliban and all that money will be just embezzled and wasted by them.

      How are we supposed to help them out now?

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        1 year ago

        Maybe give them back the 4 billion dollars we seized from them when we pulled out.

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          1 year ago

          Giving the taliban 4 billion dollars is definitely going to improve the living situation

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            Holy shit, right? Is lemmy populated by children?

            “Hey let’s give the Taliban 4 billion USD. That will surely fix the country”

            Absolute insanity. I feel like I’m in the bizzaro world.

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            1 year ago

            The taliban may not have taken control if the puppet government we established there had any funds to pay their employees.

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          Thing is, you can find the most trustworthy politican in Afghanistan, dump a truckload of 4 billion at his doorstep…

          …and then the next day, the Taliban knocks on his door with a gang armed with AK-47s, and they announce “Hello! I heard you wished to make a $4bil donation to the Taliban’s women-beating fund!” What’s he going to do in retaliation?

          Hence why re-establishment projects keep the money on the part of the project (in this case, the US military) until they have places to spend that money (the infrastructure). Course, we can’t do that now.

    • whats_a_refoogee@sh.itjust.works
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      I left Reddit to get away from the constant USA Defaultsm nonsense…

      This is possibly the most delusional take in the entire thread. If you thought that reddit, where people take every opportunity to shit on America somehow has constant “USA Defaultism”. You have to be a Stalin worshipping commie to even begin thinking that.

      • assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world
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        Yeah I read that and was rather surprised, it felt like it was the opposite. And I wasn’t in rah rah murica subs, this was in the large default ones.