Opposition motions calling for a range of economic and diplomatic sanctions, including the expulsion of Israel’s ambassador in Dublin Dana Erlich, were defeated in the Dail on Wednesday evening.
Proposals for Ireland to refer Israel to the International Criminal Court (ICC) were also voted down.
While the Government did not expel Russia’s ambassador after the invasion of Ukraine, it did back EU sanctions against Vladimir Putin’s regime and also referred its actions to the ICC.
If anything it represents consistency.
I laughed at this one. Too true.
But the one that started this war was Hamas… Not Israel…
The mental gymnastics you have to do to be pro “Palestine” is astounding.
“Pro Palestine” is not equivalent with “pro Hamas”.
In the same way that being “pro Russia” isn’t the equivalent to being “pro Putin”. I.e. you’re not wrong, but you’re not right either.
In the context of war like in Gaza and Ukraine, it’s an unfortunate fact that you can’t really separate leaders from their people. Hamas controls Gaza and has a significant approval there, just like Putin has in Russia.
It’s not fair to the individual when they end up suffering due the actions of their government, but in case of war it unfortunately can’t be avoided.
Show me where tens of thousands of Russian civillians are killed right now or in the past two years.
It isn’t. Because - unlike in Israel - the evil side has is invading.
“evil side” is both ridiciously under complex and unhelpful in regards to most geopolitical conflicts and in particular in the case of Israel and Palestine.
But if you want to think of good and evil, the Palestinians did not deny food, water, medicine, electricity, fuel and communications to more than two million people, while directly killing ten times as many people as the other side did.
Well, I grant you that it’s indeed complex if you look at the Westbank. But with Gaza and the Hamas? Hell no. Hamas main objective is wiping out the Jewish people. If Israel were comparable to them, then they’d not waste any time with carefully taking over the city, they’d just dump napalm on it and reduce the population to 0.
So it doesnt matter how many innocent people you kill, but how many you say you want to kill?
Also how the fuck do you end up with saying all more than two million people in Gaza are evil and deserve to get killed with impu ity because of the actions of a group that has about 20.000-25.000 members?
That is textbook definition of collective punishment and a typical war crime.
Which Russian city of 2 million people is Ukraine terror bombing into corpses and rubble?
Show me one in Palestine. The situation in Gaza is horrible, but it’s not even remotely coming close to “terror bombing”. That was used in WW2. If it were used here, we’d see roughly a hundred times more victims.
There are 10,000+ dead after a few weeks of bombing. 100 times that would be one million dead (or half the pre-attack population). I guess by your standard the Israelis are allowed to murder up to a million people before it becomes terror bombing?
Your comparison to WWII is more apt than you think. Consider the firebombing of Dresden. What was the death toll? According to wiki “up to” 25,000. And 55% of the city destroyed. Currently Isreal’s body count is nearly half of a Dresden, with Gaza City virtually leveled! Even the blitz at 40,000 killed, the firebombing of Hamburg at 45,000 and the firebombing of Tokyo, which was the most deadly terror bombing campaign in history at 100,000 dead, are far below your number of one million.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/interactive/2023/gaza-rising-death-toll-civilians/
What was the death toll? According to wiki “up to” 25,000. And 55% of the city destroyed.
Yeah, in a cities with an established system of bunkers. In Gaza however those don’t exist (well, Hamas has some, but it’s not letting civilians use those) Also: Dresden was about two days. This war has been going on for six weeks.
So yeah, if it were comparable to strategic bombing we would be in the millions regarding deaths now. And of course that would be a war crime. But it’s also a pure hypothetical.
Edit: Also: where did you get the 55% for the Dresden bombings from? The destroyed area was around 6.5km² according to wikipedia. That’s about 2% of the city (at the time, it’s bigger now).
Yet, Russia is different, as it is an imperialistic power where the minorities are suppressed and their male population sent to die in Ukraine.
So the difference is that, um, Israel cares about its troops? I guess that part is good.
No, Hamas wants to eradicate Israel, thats literally their only goal.
Yeah, Gaza/Hamas is even worse. They’re not just imperialistic but have genocide as their main objective.
Its the same mostly. The difference is just between being stupid and actually wanting to support terrorists.
I’m not ‘pro Palestine’. l’m pro people, it doesn’t matter who they are. Whatever mental gymnastics I try, I can’t choose a side.
War goes way back to 1948. But yes, let’s approve of the collective punishment, war crimes, ethnicide, oppression, state led terrorism, land steal etc. It was all hAmaS!
Jung&Naiv’s Jung went on a walk with Yehuda, one of the founders of Breaking the Silence, which is an organization of Israeli soldiers who after their service started publishing what the Israeli army is doing in the occupied territories.
I saw this film and it really changed my view on Israel. The population in the occupied territories is living under unbelievably bad conditions. They are terrorized by the Israeli army every single day. If I had to live under those conditions the only reason to not become a terrorist would be my cowardice.
Many people are cowards, but there will always be some who overcome their fear and go into battle, no matter how hopeless their situation.
In similarly hopeless situations, young Native Americans repeatedly attacked settler towns or treks during the Indian Wars, thereby giving the USA an excuse to exterminate their tribes.
I want to say that anyone who forces people into such living conditions can certainly be seen as sponsoring terrorism. Treating people like that and then asking them not to hate you is just idiotic.
The second thing I thought was: why the fuck did I not know about these conditions?
Like the Arab Spring, you know, which broke out out of the blue. Nobody had told us how badly the people suffered under their dictators, with whom we did good business in the West. “They’re not ready for democracy,” our Middle East experts told us on talk shows, "The Egyptians love Mubarak.
“Yeah, well, they don’t live so well there,” it’s said today about the Palestinians, “but it’s about Israel’s security., so…”
As if there were any chance of increasing security by breeding terrorists. You CANNOT treat a population like that without a certain number of them becoming terrorists, it’s not possible. And those who have all hope lost, many will applaud the terrorists.
If you feel like being disturbed, then please watch this film in which an Israeli soldier is called a traitor by Jewish settlers because he talks about his work as an Israeli occupation soldier.
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The fact that you say this with such certainty makes me completely confident that you can’t even do a mental push-up, which in this case would be basic, foundational research.
