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By Umar A Farooq in Washington
Published date: 30 September 2024 11:01 BST
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/20911849
By Umar A Farooq in Washington
Published date: 30 September 2024 11:01 BST
Ha stupid Palestinians not wanting to vote for someone who promised to continue arming the state that is killing their families! Wow what idiots. Do they want a Trump presidency? What dumb dumbs, they clearly don’t understand democracy: you vote for us otherwise it’ll get even worse.
Pressuring their preferred candidate to change their policies by saying they’ll vote third party because of this issue? NO! The only way is slavish loyalty, that way they’ll know they can do what they want and it won’t affect their vote share.
Jokes aside: I do think Harris is better on this issue (and people should still vote for her) but surely you can see how this disingenuous criticism really side steps the issue. What if it was your family, so you tried to push change on this issue with your only tangible democratic power and then some jumped up boot licker starts lecturing you on how this is actually stupid because the other guy will kill your family FASTER? I would tell that person to fuck all the way off.
It’s almost like being a single issue voter is moronic.
Also, protest votes only hurt everyone and help nobody in a voting system like we have. Look at Brexit: most of those were protest votes against Labour, not actual votes for Brexit. Or look at the votes for Jill Stein in Michigan, where she got more votes than Clinton lost by. Every pregnant woman in the US is at higher risk now because of those protest votes.
Not killing innocent people is a pretty good single issue, though.
Yeah but when the single issue is genocide? I don’t know, I can understand the moral argument that is always wrong to support that. I can understand not wanting your tax dollars to pay for the death and destruction we’ve been watching for the past year.
I understand your point, don’t agree with single issue voting in most cases and I also wouldn’t vote third party or encourage anyone to do so BUT I can see the point and lecturing people about Trump does nothing whatsoever to address it.
Lol I can only assume you are not British. Protesting Labour in the 6th year of a conservative government for… what exactly? There are a lot of stupid things that led to the Brexit vote but this is not one of them.
No. Because the democrats did not win over enough voters to take the presidency. They ran a candidate people didn’t like that much and lost. That is on THEM.
Just because Labour wasn’t in power doesn’t mean people weren’t unhappy with them. I remember watching the news interviews at the time, and some of the people who voted to Exit said they didn’t really want to Exit they just wanted to put out a protest vote against Corbyn. Also, polls showed at the time that only 52% of Labour voters thought Labour was in favor of Remain, so there was generally bad messaging by Labour.
Look, you can argue that the single issue is so important it should take precedence, but the end result of not voting for Harris means… even more genocide! So go ahead and single issue vote on something that will get you more of what you don’t want. Anyone voting for Stein in a swing state is either someone who gains something from the 3rd party getting more votes, or is someone who doesn’t understand the implications of a Trump presidency. If you live in CA or AL or OK or NY, sure, protest against Harris.
Also, I like how you blame the Democrats for Trump winning when the people actually voted. The people deserve some blame for the consequence of their actions. Yes, Clinton was a shitty candidate who I predicted losing because everyone hates her so much… but in the end there were a lot of people who are now worse off because they decided it would be better to vote for Stein.
You are literally talking out of your arse. “Some” people may have been protesting Corbyn… not saying much?.. about it. But Cameron was the face of remain. He was the logical target for a protest vote. And if you really did watch the interviews around the time of Brexit and especially the exit polls after the election you would know that most people said some nonsense about “sovereignty” but the next most common and incredibly obvious reason was immigration. The idea that is was primarily or even substantially about Corbyn is completely ludicrous.
I am just saying I understand their perspective and pointing out that this “Trump is worse” response completely ignores the overwhelming moral case for opposing a genocide. It is pathetic as a response to what people are saying. It’s myopically election focused at a time when people are dying with full US backing.
So you predicted she would lose, and many other people did, and the DNC did not listen. Then some people didn’t see the gravity of the situation and made bad voting decisions, absolutely. But they are just random people who may be more engaged with work and paying their bills than they are with making unintuitive voting decisions. Partially their fault, mainly the dems fault
The game is this: present two options, one far-right and one centre-right. And people will argue for and against the sadness of always having to vote for the lesser of two evils. This will distract at least some of them from the fact that things don’t get better, because “we lost because you didn’t vote for the lesser of two evils”, or “at least we defeated that far-right candidate”.
It’s a very simple game.