“Free speech is the right to yell ‘theater’ in a crowded fire.” But Amazon are still assholes for arguing this.

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    I thought (as a Brit, so correct me if wrong) that the first amendment meant you could talk all kinds of shit the government without repercussions, not about allowing union busting.

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      It technically means the government needs to pass a very high bar before it can restrict any kind of speech, that bar being strict scrutiny.

      Of course, the view of the public and the court historically has been that blocking union busting activities has passed strict scrutiny, since it a) is justified by the government’s interest in preventing the kind of violence that occurred when union busting was allowed, b) doesn’t restrict actions outside of union busting, so it’s narrowly tailored, and c) is the least restrictive method yet proposed, only other method I can think of is compelling union membership for everyone.

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        And the first amendment also guarantees the right to assembly, including associations of trade unions. Amazon’s right to speech doesn’t overrule the people’s right to assembly.

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      Is the behavior of one of the biggest tech companies in the world not relevant to technology? That seems a strange view to me.

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        Correct, business and labor law news is not technology news, regardless of which company it is.

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        This part of Amazon is not a tech company. It’s a logistics and e-commerce company and this news has zero relevance outside of US.

        We could be posting about working conditions in Samsung shipyards in Geoje next if this is allowed.

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            Amazon Shop with a website is not a tech company.

            Uber Taxi company with an app is not a tech company.

            Revolut Bank with an app and no offices is not a tech company.

            These companies present themselves as tech related because it increases stock value.

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              Most of Amazon’s revenue comes from AWS (a tech company), therefore Amazon is appropriately called a tech company.

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      It’s one of the biggest tech corps making the argument. I feel ok about where I posted it.

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          AWS hosts 25% of the internet. It doesn’t matter if you think it’s not tech related, the company is in tech and unions within tech is a rapidly growing movement. Next you’re going to say that workers protesting at Microsoft isn’t tech related.

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            If Walmart started building and selling nuclear reactors tomorrow, US-specific news on labour conditions in their stores still wouldn’t be technology related. I get that you don’t like them and will use every opportunity to dunk on them (there’s plenty of reason to) but why litter this community with irrelevant news for everyone else?

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              What a dumb hill to die on. Are you anti-labor or something? This will affect all of amazon, and AWS is one of the largest tech companies out there. If you don’t want this post on your feed, I invite you to hide it or block OP. The votes clearly show the community doesn’t agree with you and that they don’t mind this on their feed.

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                Yeah, personal attacks! Yes, I’m undercover Amazon shill and have been fooling you all along. Downvotes means who’s right!

                Get a grip.

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              Got it. You believe that the only thing relevant to technology is the things being made, but the people that make those things aren’t relevant. Let’s see how much tech news will come from those companies when the workers stop working.

              Labor is inseparable from it’s fruits.

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                  You mean the people the maintain the biggest logistics network in the world? Not sure, but it sure as fuck is relevant to news about the company that hosts 25% of the internet.

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      Mega tech corps are the only thing that get posted here…

      I guess warehouse slaves aint elite enough for younto suffer this thread?

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        It’s probably better suited for business, US politics or work reform related community.