At this point in time, anyone left on the platform formerly known as Twitter, is either a fascist, or at least think that fascism isn’t that big a deal.
Because, as an example, some very important services communicate solely through Xitter. Emergency alerts, fire depart, governmental bodies, etc. Do I despise that? Yes. Do I ask them to move? Yes. Are they? Hell no.
For a lot of marginalized people Twitter was a place to escape to and find like-minded people, I can see how it’s hard to make a new place feel as homely. Most of us here left another site because we didn’t agree with the leadership so it’s a very biased group, “just do the same thing we did”. Not everyone is in as privileged of a position though and it might be way harder for them to leave than you can imagine, especially if they’re addicted to it.
That is just not true. I hate twitter but i still use it. I am autistic and follow very specific things on it and while i also use mastodon and bluesky, there is barely anyone that has the same current interests as i do.
I don’t like it but i also don’t completely want to alienate myself from people i enjoy talking to and seeing their stuff. I try to follow them all on mastodon and bluesky if they have an account there, but not everyone has that.
I have all ads blocked and purely use it for my hobbies.
So suggesting that makes me a fascist is absolutely ridiculous. We are trying to move to another platform but its not as easy as you make it out to be.
Same as Lemmy. I love Lemmy. BUT there are things that just so not exist here yet that do exist on reddit.
And i have no interest in making a community for it either as i don’t want to moderate anything.
So because there aren’t other options that are as good for your personal interests, you are OK with using a fascist supporting platform. But somehow you think it’s unfair to say you are sort of OK with fascism, since you are using a clearly fascist supporting platform.
You know, that’s called compromising your ideals for convenience. And if you are American you got what you deserve with Trump.
I think you are confused, this is not lemmy.ml, and lemmy is open source, which is the part where it definitely becomes a false equivalence.
Because just because the developers may be communists, that has zero bearing on the content of lemmy.world.
The developers do not own lemmy. And do not claim control of the platform.
Musk is a fascist who owns and control twitter, and has used it to push his fascist agenda, spending $40 billion to be able to do that!
Lemmy is by the people for the people.
Xitter is owned and controlled by the worlds richest narcissist, who has claimed total control, and is using it to push fascism.
No. They federate all of their content. By publishing that content they have approved it. And we know that they have had a decision they have made and will continue to make. So yes LW does support violence.
That’s just not true. My mate uses it to follow music bands they like. The problem we have with X is that everybody uses it so you have to use it you wanna stay in the loop. I don’t use I myself but i can understand why people still do.
Ooohh if it’s for MUSIC I guess it’s OK to be a fascist.
But you know the bands go where teir followers are right? And he is supporting bands that ALSO don’t have a problem with fascism.
It goes both ways.
People were already on twitter before some right wing weirdo bought it. They just kept using it because the reality is normies don’t know better or don’t care. I’m not saying it’s a good thing, but saying every X user is a fascist seams an oversimplification.
saying every X user is a fascist seams an oversimplification.
That’s a straw man, nobody I saw here claimed that. The claim is that they don’t mind fascism. Which is not the same.
You can take a country with only 10%, if the remaining 90% remain passive. Staying at Xitter is remaining passive about their fascist propaganda.
Seriously? It’s a social media site that openly support and spread right-wing misinformation, how is that comparable?
People have no say in where they where born, and not all have the luxury of packing everything and move to another country, supporting a social media site is a choice.
I didn’t say people born here I said living. so all the people that have moved here willingly support bombing and invading since they CHOSE to live here got it
As a third party I don’t think we should blame America for the genocide in Gaza. We should blame Israel. We are all complicit (and way worse of course being a sponsor) by not calling it out.
Yes, that’s why I wrote that I’m here. But it’s not happening. Maybe something will change in the future, but at this moment there is nothing anyone can to do, to move these communities.
If you are a major contributor in a niche community, you can publicize your move with info of how to keep following you and syndicate links to your content on your desired platform for a set time then leave. On your desired platform let followers from Xitter know how to follow you (email, rss, bridgy, etc) if they don’t want to join your desired platform.
If you are mostly a content consumer or have FOMO, use a bridge not an account. DM all the friends you want to keep of where to find you then leave. Bird.makeup is a great Xitter bridge for the fedi.
In either case, there isn’t a reason to keep am account there.
But you have to understand there are people out there from all around the world, that have no desire to observe the grotesque circus of american politics. You are in your own bubble of people that think the world has ended, but most people in the world have different worries and concerns.
No. Not at all. Most people don’t think about it. They go about their business and think about their job, their kids,spouses, friends, cars, …
They think about their local politics, not in relation to American. Than if they do think about american politics, they say to themselves: what a bunch of clowns, then they think of something else.
But you have to understand there are people out there from all around the world
That doesn’t change anything, whatever country you are from, using Xitter means you are using and thereby supporting a fascist platform.
You are in your own bubble
OK, and which bubble is that?
Seems to me that the ones in a bubble are those that continue to use Xitter, oblivious to it supporting fascism, or accepting that it does. Now THAT’s being in a bubble.
I don’t have any skin in this game but just want to point out that “I understand you are hurt and angry” is an attempt to empathize with you, and not an ad hominem fallacy.
If the comment was along the lines of: I understand IF you are hurt and angry, it would be different and not presumptuous. But that he continues with: “But you have to understand…” Like he is talking to a child, confirms the interpretation of an ad hominem IMO."
But thanks for pointing out a possibly poorly worded good intention. But the way he wrote it, it looks like an ad hominem to me.
You don’t just get to call any words that you don’t like, or even words directly attacking you, an ad hominem. A statement is only an ad hominem if 1) it’s attempting to refute an argument 2) by attacking the character/motive of the person making the argument INSTEAD OF the actual content of the argument. “Your argument is wrong because you’re an idiot” is an ad hominem. What the other commenter said to you is not. Note that people claiming “ad hominem” on statements that are not are sometimes said to be committing an “ad hominem fallacy fallacy.”
I see that the emotional level is too great for any discussion. Good luck to you, I hope you get a moment for yourself and have a nice rest of the day.
I see you are unable to actually argue your point, and instead choose to continue with the ad hominem.
I’m still interested to hear what bubble it is you consider me to be in?
Except everything is related to politics. The price of the bread is politics. The roads made, politics too. Having to pay the doctor or not, politics.
Politics is not “what the politicians do”. It’s “affairs of the cities”, from Ancient Greek πολιτικά (politiká). And everything that affects more than one person is an “affair of the cities”.
Bullshit. I have an account on X since it was Twitter. No post, no followed people, no follower. I don’t use my timeline. I just use it because many dealers use it as a channel to communicate with customers through DM. I’m a a fascist?
Stats don’t care if you are or aren’t, you are +1 to the equity that Twitter uses to get money through advertisers, which gets funnelled to Elon and his interests, and now Trump. This leads to reducing your overall opportunities through fascism that contribute to you finding comfort in what your dealer is supplying you. Quit hitting yourself.
I actually agree with you on the Amazon/Youtube/Meta thing and I’m trying my hardest to stop using all those companies, but I think another point here is that Twitter is much more directly connected to fascism, given that it’s owned by the guy who just spent a week crashing the post-election party at Mar-A-Lago.
That’s something I hate in place like these, lately: you’re either a good boy if you do what I think it’s right or you’re an evil fascist if you dare not to follow “the right path”. People seem to forget that there are a lot of shades of grey between black and white.
The fasces is a bundle with an axe - anyone outside the bundle gets chopped. That’s actual fascism. It’s what both the far left and far right proscribe and (correctly) accuse the other of doing.
Forget sides, forget the bundle. Just be a good person and keep your own ethical code.
At this point in time, anyone left on the platform formerly known as Twitter, is either a fascist, or at least think that fascism isn’t that big a deal.
I know a lot of people still on twitter who ate firmly against fascism. I don’t know why they’re still on there though.
Because, as an example, some very important services communicate solely through Xitter. Emergency alerts, fire depart, governmental bodies, etc. Do I despise that? Yes. Do I ask them to move? Yes. Are they? Hell no.
Not while you are showing them you are still on there.
For a lot of marginalized people Twitter was a place to escape to and find like-minded people, I can see how it’s hard to make a new place feel as homely. Most of us here left another site because we didn’t agree with the leadership so it’s a very biased group, “just do the same thing we did”. Not everyone is in as privileged of a position though and it might be way harder for them to leave than you can imagine, especially if they’re addicted to it.
Eat the rich. 😋
Don’t eat shit, mulch the rich.
“I can fix him”
I love seeing these comments firmly showing how out of touch some/most of Lemmy is.
That is just not true. I hate twitter but i still use it. I am autistic and follow very specific things on it and while i also use mastodon and bluesky, there is barely anyone that has the same current interests as i do.
I don’t like it but i also don’t completely want to alienate myself from people i enjoy talking to and seeing their stuff. I try to follow them all on mastodon and bluesky if they have an account there, but not everyone has that.
I have all ads blocked and purely use it for my hobbies. So suggesting that makes me a fascist is absolutely ridiculous. We are trying to move to another platform but its not as easy as you make it out to be.
Same as Lemmy. I love Lemmy. BUT there are things that just so not exist here yet that do exist on reddit. And i have no interest in making a community for it either as i don’t want to moderate anything.
So because there aren’t other options that are as good for your personal interests, you are OK with using a fascist supporting platform. But somehow you think it’s unfair to say you are sort of OK with fascism, since you are using a clearly fascist supporting platform.
You know, that’s called compromising your ideals for convenience. And if you are American you got what you deserve with Trump.
So you’re okay with violence for communisms sake? Just want to be clear because the developers and most admins here are.
False equivalence.
Nope. Same exact shit. Just your team running it.
I think you are confused, this is not lemmy.ml, and lemmy is open source, which is the part where it definitely becomes a false equivalence.
Because just because the developers may be communists, that has zero bearing on the content of lemmy.world.
The developers do not own lemmy. And do not claim control of the platform.
Musk is a fascist who owns and control twitter, and has used it to push his fascist agenda, spending $40 billion to be able to do that!
Lemmy is by the people for the people.
Xitter is owned and controlled by the worlds richest narcissist, who has claimed total control, and is using it to push fascism.
So very much a false equivalence.
No. They federate all of their content. By publishing that content they have approved it. And we know that they have had a decision they have made and will continue to make. So yes LW does support violence.
That’s just not true. My mate uses it to follow music bands they like. The problem we have with X is that everybody uses it so you have to use it you wanna stay in the loop. I don’t use I myself but i can understand why people still do.
Ooohh if it’s for MUSIC I guess it’s OK to be a fascist.
But you know the bands go where teir followers are right? And he is supporting bands that ALSO don’t have a problem with fascism.
It goes both ways.
People were already on twitter before some right wing weirdo bought it. They just kept using it because the reality is normies don’t know better or don’t care. I’m not saying it’s a good thing, but saying every X user is a fascist seams an oversimplification.
That’s a straw man, nobody I saw here claimed that. The claim is that they don’t mind fascism. Which is not the same.
You can take a country with only 10%, if the remaining 90% remain passive. Staying at Xitter is remaining passive about their fascist propaganda.
What if a band had very vocal Nazi beliefs even lyrically, would you still like them because the music was good? Lol that is you.
I don’t see how that’s relevant to be honest. Twitter users didn’t choose for Musk to be in charge, and I’m sure a lot remaining users hate him.
I said I don’t use twitter, what’s your point ?
You know what you have if you sit at a table with 10 Nazis? 11 Nazis.
this is an UNHINGED leap… so by that logic anyone living in america supports killing “foreign” civilians, bombing cities etc etc???
Seriously? It’s a social media site that openly support and spread right-wing misinformation, how is that comparable? People have no say in where they where born, and not all have the luxury of packing everything and move to another country, supporting a social media site is a choice.
I didn’t say people born here I said living. so all the people that have moved here willingly support bombing and invading since they CHOSE to live here got it
As a third party I don’t think we should blame America for the genocide in Gaza. We should blame Israel. We are all complicit (and way worse of course being a sponsor) by not calling it out.
i never said shit about gaza, stop assuming
Good point. Touché.
There are a lot of people and organizations that are just slow to move and don’t really know where to go.
That’s complete and utter nonsense.
There are groups of people using it that have no contact with politics or anything out of their sphere of interest. I am in a couple of such groups.
I would love to go somewhere else and I am on lemmy, mastodon even bluesky, but there are no such communities there.
“Be the change you want to see in the world.” ;-)
Yes, that’s why I wrote that I’m here. But it’s not happening. Maybe something will change in the future, but at this moment there is nothing anyone can to do, to move these communities.
If you are a major contributor in a niche community, you can publicize your move with info of how to keep following you and syndicate links to your content on your desired platform for a set time then leave. On your desired platform let followers from Xitter know how to follow you (email, rss, bridgy, etc) if they don’t want to join your desired platform.
If you are mostly a content consumer or have FOMO, use a bridge not an account. DM all the friends you want to keep of where to find you then leave. Bird.makeup is a great Xitter bridge for the fedi.
In either case, there isn’t a reason to keep am account there.
Ergo they are not against fascism. Which means they are OK with it, because they don’t care either way.
Good job, you just helped prove the point.
I understand you are hurt and angry.
But you have to understand there are people out there from all around the world, that have no desire to observe the grotesque circus of american politics. You are in your own bubble of people that think the world has ended, but most people in the world have different worries and concerns.
Most people have the concern that the Trump concept is being copied to their country’s politics now.
No. Not at all. Most people don’t think about it. They go about their business and think about their job, their kids,spouses, friends, cars, … They think about their local politics, not in relation to American. Than if they do think about american politics, they say to themselves: what a bunch of clowns, then they think of something else.
That’s ad hominem.
That doesn’t change anything, whatever country you are from, using Xitter means you are using and thereby supporting a fascist platform.
OK, and which bubble is that?
Seems to me that the ones in a bubble are those that continue to use Xitter, oblivious to it supporting fascism, or accepting that it does. Now THAT’s being in a bubble.
I don’t have any skin in this game but just want to point out that “I understand you are hurt and angry” is an attempt to empathize with you, and not an ad hominem fallacy.
He/She doesn’t understand anything, he/she doesn’t know me.
If the comment was along the lines of: I understand IF you are hurt and angry, it would be different and not presumptuous. But that he continues with: “But you have to understand…” Like he is talking to a child, confirms the interpretation of an ad hominem IMO."
But thanks for pointing out a possibly poorly worded good intention. But the way he wrote it, it looks like an ad hominem to me.
You don’t just get to call any words that you don’t like, or even words directly attacking you, an ad hominem. A statement is only an ad hominem if 1) it’s attempting to refute an argument 2) by attacking the character/motive of the person making the argument INSTEAD OF the actual content of the argument. “Your argument is wrong because you’re an idiot” is an ad hominem. What the other commenter said to you is not. Note that people claiming “ad hominem” on statements that are not are sometimes said to be committing an “ad hominem fallacy fallacy.”
https://laurencetennant.com/bonds/adhominem.html
Which is EXACTLY what he did. And I even explained that in my previous post.
I see that the emotional level is too great for any discussion. Good luck to you, I hope you get a moment for yourself and have a nice rest of the day.
Good bye.
I see you are unable to actually argue your point, and instead choose to continue with the ad hominem.
I’m still interested to hear what bubble it is you consider me to be in?
I’m just gonna go ahead and say it:
You need to touch grass as in pronto
Except everything is related to politics. The price of the bread is politics. The roads made, politics too. Having to pay the doctor or not, politics.
Politics is not “what the politicians do”. It’s “affairs of the cities”, from Ancient Greek πολιτικά (politiká). And everything that affects more than one person is an “affair of the cities”.
Bullshit. I have an account on X since it was Twitter. No post, no followed people, no follower. I don’t use my timeline. I just use it because many dealers use it as a channel to communicate with customers through DM. I’m a a fascist?
Stats don’t care if you are or aren’t, you are +1 to the equity that Twitter uses to get money through advertisers, which gets funnelled to Elon and his interests, and now Trump. This leads to reducing your overall opportunities through fascism that contribute to you finding comfort in what your dealer is supplying you. Quit hitting yourself.
Hope every single people on this thread quit using Amazon/Youtube and anything Meta for vey similar reasons. I’m waiting.
I actually agree with you on the Amazon/Youtube/Meta thing and I’m trying my hardest to stop using all those companies, but I think another point here is that Twitter is much more directly connected to fascism, given that it’s owned by the guy who just spent a week crashing the post-election party at Mar-A-Lago.
No but apparently you don’t think that it is that big of a deal?
Here we go…
Not really
That’s something I hate in place like these, lately: you’re either a good boy if you do what I think it’s right or you’re an evil fascist if you dare not to follow “the right path”. People seem to forget that there are a lot of shades of grey between black and white.
It’s actual fascism.
Not the modern made up diatribe about fascism.
The fasces is a bundle with an axe - anyone outside the bundle gets chopped. That’s actual fascism. It’s what both the far left and far right proscribe and (correctly) accuse the other of doing.
Forget sides, forget the bundle. Just be a good person and keep your own ethical code.
Thank you. You seem to understand what I mean.
You really should encourage your contacts to use more secure channels than Twitter dms, especially for illicit behavior.
Read again, carefully, what I wrote, please.