Summary

The 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals upheld Indiana’s law banning puberty blockers and hormones for transgender minors, aligning with similar laws in 26 GOP-led states.

Plaintiffs argued the law discriminates based on sex and interferes with parental rights to direct medical treatment for their children, but the 2-1 ruling dismissed these claims.

The court stated the law applies equally to all minors and parents don’t have unrestricted rights to medical treatments.

This decision comes as the Supreme Court prepares to review a similar Tennessee case, potentially setting a nationwide precedent.

  • Limonene@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    29
    arrow-down
    3
    ·
    4 hours ago

    You know damn well this isn’t about surgery. It’s about hormones, and it says so right there in the summary. You didn’t even have to click the link. Nobody is doing breast implants on trans minors (only on cis minors, which is perfectly fine for some reason).

    Forcing a trans kid to go through the wrong puberty even though they know they are trans is extremely traumatic. It’s life ruining. It alters the voice, the shape of the torso, the shape of the face, and facial and body hair in ways that either can’t be fixed at all, or can only be fixed with expensive surgeries later on.

    And if you want people to be absolutely sure about their status before going on hormone replacement therapy, then that is exactly what puberty blockers are for. Leuprorelin prevents puberty so that the kid can figure themself out for a year or two, and then make sure they go through the correct puberty. Even if they decide not to be transgender in the end, they can just go off leuprorelin and start puberty.

    • stupidcasey@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      3
      arrow-down
      13
      ·
      3 hours ago

      Quite frankly IDGAF, it is going to alter the kids minds and body and I trust absolutely nobody on this planet to make that decision without bias and political interference and influence. And the amount of people who legitimately need these hormones is far far less than the people who will be given politically motivated or poorly informed or poorly thought out, you are risking an epidemic of the exact thing you are trying to avoid. This is unethical and should not be politicized.

      • 3 dogs in a trenchcoat@slrpnk.net
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        11
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        2 hours ago

        You’re against things that alter kids minds and bodies? Like puberty? Well luckily there’s a way to stop that! Puberty blockers, which have been safely used for decades and are considered a medical necessity by WPATH as well as many other health organizations!

      • maevyn@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        4
        arrow-down
        4
        ·
        3 hours ago

        Why are we debating this at all, shouldn’t it be the decision of the parents? You don’t agree, that’s fine, you can tell your kids no. If someone else looks at the evidence and believes it’s true, and believes this is hugely beneficial to their kid, why should the government have a say in their kid’s medical treatment?

        • u/lukmly013 💾 (lemmy.sdf.org)@lemmy.sdf.org
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          8
          ·
          1 hour ago

          This is a separate topic, and a big fucking no. You assume parents actually know what’s best for their kids and want that, but look around, most of these people voting for these bans are parents as well.

          Parents can’t and shouldn’t be blindly trusted.

          If someone else looks at the evidence and believes it’s true, and believes this is hugely beneficial to their kid, why should the government have a say in their kid’s medical treatment?

          And if the parent thinks otherwise where it is legal?

          Kids aren’t the parents’ property.

        • stupidcasey@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          3
          arrow-down
          4
          ·
          3 hours ago

          Parents are the absolute worst people to make decisions of their children’s medical decisions they are just the default, in a perfect world we would have a body of politically isolated experts determining medical decisions for children. But we don’t live in that world so until we do we should have as few elective medical treatment’s on children as possible.

          • Tanis Nikana@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            27 minutes ago

            We have this in every country. In America it’s called the American Medical Association. It’s been invented already. There’s even specific subgroups and organizations of doctors and such that advocate for people who have particular problems and troubles, like the Multiple Sclerosis Research Society, the World Professional Association for Transgender Health, and the American Stroke Organization. These things exist and they help people.

            But you think I’m an AI, don’tcha? I’m not even snidely insulting you in this one. I’m trying to help in good faith.

            Then again, you’re not here in good faith, so what can I do?

            (The answer is to keep this here in case anyone is reading in good faith, and they can benefit from this comment. Guess I’m not really writing about you at all.)

          • LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            3
            ·
            2 hours ago

            By politically isolated I’m going to assume you just mean conversion therapists who will try to convince children they are not gay or trans. Because if you’re not giving them affirmative care and listening to them the alternative is denying them.

            Conversion therapy kills people. That’s what it does. That’s all it does. It is NOT possible to stop someone from being gay or trans. It has never been shown to be possible in any fucking way. Conversion therapy does not work, has never worked, and is equivalent in mental distress to severe psychological torture. It frequently involves physical and sexual assault. It involves emotional abuse and manipulation. All in service of forcing us to conform. This is the alternative. If you’re against affirmative care this is what you’re for. Think about telling these people that what happened to them was right. Think about going to the lived ones of people who took their lives while undergoing conversion therapy. Think about telling them that what happened is right and should be legal. This is what you’re advocating for. This is the side that you’re on.