At least 274 Palestinians were killed and 698 wounded in Israeli strikes on the Nuseirat refugee camp in central Gaza, Gaza’s health ministry said on Sunday. The Israeli military said its forces came under heavy fire during the daytime operation.
The EU’s top diplomat, Josep Borrell, called it a “massacre”, while the UN’s aid chief described in graphic detail scenes of “shredded bodies on the ground”.
“Nuseirat refugee camp is the epicentre of the seismic trauma that civilians in Gaza continue to suffer,” Martin Griffiths said in a post on X, calling for a ceasefire and the release of all hostages.
I would feel guilt for the rest of my life if I were one of the rescued hostages. My life is not worth that many dead.
Easy to say that while not being a hostage.
Some of the loudest voices in the anti-war movement in Israel have been families of hostages. Considering the track record of their military action, exchanges and peace talks are a far safer way for their family members to be returned, and they are not happy in their loved ones being used as a pretext for a purge of Gaza’s civilian population.
Yep totally could see this.
The Israeli military said its forces came under heavy fire during the daytime operation.
Uh huh. Then why aren’t there almost 1000 Israeli military dead and injured instead of almost 1000 Palestinian dead and injured?
More lies again. As always.
This is a ridiculous take. They didn’t come under heavy fire because they didn’t take heavy losses? It’s their very heavy response to the heavy fire that minimized their losses while taking a high toll on Palestinian civilians and militants.
Do you think the hostages were unguarded and free to leave at any time because Israel said otherwise?
Do you think that Israeli forces are indiscriminately bombing and shooting Palestinian civilians to the tune of almost 1000 killed or injured?
Indiscriminately? No. Without adequate or acceptable levels of discrimination? Absolutely.
That’s not what I was responding to, though. I was responding to your writing that the Israelis lied about coming under heavy fire because they didn’t take heavy losses. The IDF has been known to lie, but that doesn’t make everything they say a lie. And your rationale for saying it was untrue makes no sense.
Right, right… and Auschwitz wasn’t a death camp - it was a pitched battle between a small group of heroic Nazis and overwhelming Jewish forces. Their clever use of Zyklon-B ensured the Nazi heroes didn’t suffer heavy casualties.
/s for all the shitlibs that can’t smell all the hasbara stinking up this community.
Hamas fighters are like naked concentration camp victims going into the gas chamber. They just have toy guns. You can tell from the bright orange caps on the barrels.
/s for the completely delusional
It’s really sad when hasbara goes off-script - I hope they paid you extra for the attempt, though.
Ridiculous take. I never said Israel was right or justified for the level of carnage they caused.
What is with the script that there are only victims on the Palestinian side? There were no gunmen, only unarmed civilians. The hostages were just visiting friends in Gaza and are demanding to be allowed to return. Who writes this stuff, and why do so many here seem to buy into it?
I think i’m slowly turning antisemitic
I sincerely hope this is a poor attempt at a joke because that kind of statement has contributed directly to the current situation. It is not antisemitic to criticize the Israeli government, Zionism, or the IDF and its actions. It is antisemitic to say the reason you are criticizing those things is because they are all Jews.
Conflating those two not only makes it impossible to speak out against the atrocities being committed, it makes violence worse against Jews.
It is not antisemitic to criticize the Israeli government, Zionism, or the IDF and its actions.
This is not the narrative that Israel is pushing or that the U.S. adopts legally.
Zionists are royally screwing over the Jews.
It’s fucked up, Zionists say “all Jews support Israel because Israel IS Judaism” then when a Jewish person is attacked for what Israel does they say “see, it’s the proof they’re anti-semites, they attacked a Jewish person outside of Israel, if they were truly only against Israel they wouldn’t have done that”
Zionists are literally using all foreign Jews as human shields. Putting them up as defacto Israeli representatives, then as martyrs.
That’s well said, and on top of that Zionists actively stoke the flames of Judeophobia!
Why were they holding military hostages in a refugee camp?
Because Hamas is just a shitty as Israel. The only difference seems to be that Israel is far, far more effective.
And that Hamas keeps military hostages in civilian refugee campus.
Yes pretty shitty isn’t it.
Do you think it’s an acceptable response to murder 274 other innocent people to save those 4? Are Israeli lives worth more than Palestinian lives to you?
Of those 274, I wonder how many of those will now want to join Hamas for vengeance against the people that killed their families.
I think it’s appalling that the de facto governing body in that area would not find a way to separate their civilian population from known military objectives, instead of distributing them throughout a refugee camp and hiding there themselves (of those 274, there were combatants). I think Palestinians deserve better.
Yes me too.
Again, I don’t believe that justifies the actions of the IDF? What about you?
Perhaps you could stop avoiding the question and either call out Israel as well, or say no I think what Israel did by mudering 274 innocent people including 60+ children is acceptable to you.
We just want some clarity in your stance here. As the consensus here is most people are willing to call out both sides, whereas you seem to only want to focus on one side. Some might say you’re being biased.
Some might say you’re whatabouting my initial question. Something shitty Hamas performs does not have to be met with something shitty Israel does. This is the inversion of the “but do you condemn Hamas” schtick.
As I pointed out, those 274 people involved combatants. If there weren’t combatants or if they were held in a different location than a refugee camp, I would think this operation would have gone very differently.
The Israeli military said it had attacked “threats to our forces in the area,” and that a special forces officer was killed in the operation.
Israel’s military spokesman, Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari, said Saturday the hostages were held in two apartments about 200 meters (219 yards) apart. He said the forces moved in simultaneously on both. Rescuers came under heavy fire as they moved out, including from gunmen firing rocket-propelled grenades, he added, and the military responded with heavy force, including from aircraft.
To address your whataboutism, I think netanyahu has a tolerance for collateral damage that most of the world has a problem with, and we will see what the repercussions are. If I were a family member who’s loved one was taken, I would think this was a success while mourning the great cost this is coming at. I think it’s grotesque to try to simply weigh lives versus lives in a hostage rescue mission in which one side insists on involving their own civilians in the cross fire.
My thoughts on whether this was worth it really are insignificant, I’d defer to the hostages’ families and the Palestinians. If I were putting myself in the hostage families shoes, I’d give anything to have them back. If I were a Palestinian, I’d wonder why both sides are willing to treat us so poorly and resent my aggressors (both sides). This isn’t a black and white issue no matter how much you want to reduce it to such.
And you’re not “both siding” anything, you’re riding the previous comment trying to equate the two by saying Hamas is just as shitty as Israel somehow. And I’m saying that only one side is hiding military objectives and themselves in civilian areas here, which is greatly exacerbating the outcomes.
I’m sorry that you’re making it impossible to have a discussion with.
I have numerous times agreed with your assessment of Hamas and only asked you to either agree that the IDF should be held to a similar standard and you just dance around the topic.
Reporting the Israeli military or governments responses are meaningless to any of us. We all know they lie, they have been caught lying. The same can be said for Hamas statements.
I’ll leave it with the ICC and the ICJ, as again your counter points have been to comment on the innocent Israelis whilst disregarding the innocent Palestinians, which is either due to you purposely being obtuse, or at worst you really don’t care about any innocent Palestinian and you have as much a blood lust as Netanyahu.
Either way I will end the _conversation_here and hope that in the future when we look back on this you will know that you were actively supporting monsters, killing innocent people to aid in killing other monsters.
Where else would it be safe to hold the hostages? The rest of the area is getting bombed to oblivion. Most of the hostages are probably under rubble.
I hear there’s this intricate network of tunnels they hide in.
I doubt the hostages would survive a sponge bomb, you know, the kind the IDF uses to clear tunnels (they built).
So then Hamas has evacuated these tunnels because they don’t work?
What if I showed you how the IDF would destroy parts of Gaza even if Hamas wasn’t present: https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/no-evidence-of-hamas-tunnels-under-cemetery-destroyed-by-israeli-military-investigation/3123427
So you’re saying it might be a good idea to make known certain safe zones for hostages and not turn those into battle grounds? Who is that incumbent on?
Also, aa is Turkish state media and not trustworthy.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/anadolu-agency/
A Bellingcat article states that “AA as a whole can only be considered as blatant and deliberate twisting and distorting of the facts.”
In review, Anadolu Agency utilizes moderately loaded emotional language in their headlines, such as “Merkel slams Trump for ‘harming’ global order” and “Erdogan slams world for ‘failure’ in Jerusalem test.” Anadolu Agency also poorly sources as they typically source by heavily quoting without linking to the actual story.
Overall, we rate Anadolu Agency Right Biased editorially and Mixed factually due to poor sourcing. Further, this is an agency controlled by the right-wing ruling party and has a very strong pro-government state bias. (M. Huitsing 5/25/2018) Updated (11/10/2023)
The particular article I linked is relaying CNN’s own reporting 🤷: https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/29/world/israel-cemetery-bani-suheila-intl/index.html
Israeli commanders failed to prove their claim during a three-hour visit to the Bani Suheila cemetery and the surrounding area.
Gaza Health Ministry is not a reliable source, they literally are Hamas, a terrorist organization.
