The death toll means around ten percent of the kibbutz’s population was wiped out
The bodies of more than 100 people were discovered by volunteers in a single, small Israeli village Monday — including those of children — believed to have been killed by Hamas militants caught on camera.
The remains were discovered in Be’eri, or Bari, a kibbutz in southern Israel close to Gaza. It’s one of the villages Hamas militants invaded on Saturday as they began their attack on the country.
“Today the volunteers entered Kibbutz Bari and it is impossible to explain in words the terrible sights - some were adults, some were children. These are horrors that cannot be grasped in the mind or soul,” a spokesperson for Zaka search and rescue told IDF radio.
Hamas thought this operation would change everything.
They were right, but not in the way they expected. All they’ve done is turn soft sympathisers like myself away from their cause. They deserve everything they get and it’s not going to be pretty. The Palestinian who will be killed during crossfire are on Hamas hands this time and the rest of the world will see it that way. absolute own goal, so they could… massacre a bunch of civilians. Hamas showing military genius of the likes of Russia
Palestinians using violent means might think they’re succeeding because they are actually getting landback for the first time in decades, but they fail to consider how bad it looks to me, a guy on the internet who thinks it would be better for their PR if they kept dying instead.
A) they didnt get land back, they are likely to lose more
B) throw rocks at tanks, dont be surprised when you get glassed
A) they didnt get land back, they are likely to lose more
False, they did. And they only lose more if Israel continues its genocide, which you’re prob gonna advocate.
B) throw rocks at tanks, dont be surprised when you get glassed
Like I said. Grotesque, as usual 🤣
False, they did
what, a bloodsoaked festival ground? for long?
Lmao 😂 at least until you’re done whining about it. Cry more, liberal 😘
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It’s a Tankie - what do you expect?
No, the Gaza residents don’t deserve collective punishment, and that is what Hamas wants. They want Israel to overreact and clamp down. They want videos of their dead children and women across all media. This is part of the tried and true strategy of big guy vs little guy conflicts, and guess what it NEVER WORKS… for the big guy.
How did 9/11 work out for Osama Bin Laden? Better then he could have ever even dreamed of.
You can’t kill your way out of this kind of conflict. The only ways out are A) complete genocide or B) political resolutions and bringing them to the table.
Neither Bibi, nor Hamas, want option B, and they’re both hoping that eventually option A will work out in their favor.
Israel at least shows an attempt to target military and government buildings, where as Hamas always aims for civilians. And they use their own people as human shields. It’s gotten harder and harder to sympathize, and keep seeing their point of view.
Israel at least shows an attempt to target military and government buildings,
They’re not doing that right now, that’s for sure.
Maybe something about blowing through the border like a bunch of orcs and murdering, raping and pillaging that makes you the bad guy. Where’s the news story of Israel officials blowing up the wall, murdering innocent people and foreigners at a music festival while stripping them and parading them through the streets?
Maybe something about blowing through the border like a bunch of orcs and murdering, raping and pillaging that makes you the bad guy
So the idf?
Lmao what? They cut off water to civilians. It’s over. Palestinian women and children are going to be dying in massive numbers over the next week.
That doesn’t even begin to include the number of Palestinian civilians being shelled to oblivion in the supposed “safe areas” designated by the authorities.
Hamas human shields
Israel: tells civilians where to seek shelter Israel: bombs the shelters You: fuck hamas
Source on bombing shelters? This is being repeated all over the place and I can’t find anything
Edit: I guess on mobile the first link tries to make you download an app, here’s another -> https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/10/alarm-as-israel-again-hits-rafah-border-crossing-between-gaza-and-egypt
Edit Edit: this might not actually be a good example of my point. Gimme a few to get back to it.
But like, lets be real, Israel has been bombing civilian targets for years. https://apnews.com/article/israel-middle-east-business-israel-palestinian-conflict-fe452147166f55ba5a9d32e6ba8b53d7
And before anyone says “Hamas was actually hiding in the walls and between the floorboards”, source? Just one reputable source with 3rd party verification.
Edit Edit Edit: Nah its good. It’s not the best example of what I mean but it’s a valid lesser example. I’ll stand by it.
Israel routinely bombs news buildings, wtf are you talking about?
Far be it for me to defend the IDF, but Hamas does go out of its way to create civilian death delimeas for Israel, such as using news buildings and hospitals for critical operations centers. It’s a win/win, either Israel won’t destroy that Hamas infrastructure, or they literally blow up journalists and hospitals.
I’m not even saying this to cast judgement one way, or another, it’s just an objective statement of fact and these tactics are incredibly effective for the type of conflict they’re engaged in.
If it’s an objective statement of fact then you can definitely provide sources where third parties have confirmed that information to be true, right?
Are you talking about that Hamas Radiostation?
“Tell me which war crime you’re mad about so I can make up a lie to defend it”
What the fuck are you talking about?
Spew your hate elsewhere
“Accountability feels like an attack when you’re not ready to acknowledge how your behavior harms others.”
It’s for this human shield behaviour that this could be the beginning of the end for the whole of Palestine. Israel doesn’t care anymore, so any civilians are going to be in the firing line too. All Hamas needs to do to bring about the end of Palestine is to keep using Palestinians as meat shields.
Civilians have always been in their firing line, what the fuck are you talking about? They’re not human shields, they’re just civilians being murdered by the IDF
Hamas launches rockets from a civilian site and tells people not to leave when IDF warns them the building will be targeted shortly
Israel is trying to limit collateral damage and Hamas is actively throwing people into danger
“the building” AKA hospital or school. Where’s your evidence for the thing about them telling people not to leave? I know it’s a common trope, but is there any actual evidence there?
Bro they’re been demolishing civilian infrastructure for decades, most of the time Palestinian Gaza does not have power because Israel bombs the power station.
Hamas is shit but no yeah Israel kills thousands of civilians every year. They’ve killed 22 journalists in 20 years. They have hit news buildings with rockets, once calling for an evacuation first, for whatever fucking reason they had to hit those buildings I guess. Israel is an apartheid state. No, Hamas isn’t giving a proper response.
Literally the opposite. Like in black and white, in the data on death tolls since 1948 or whenever you want to start counting. Palestine doesn’t have a military, Israel doesn’t allow them to. How would they be targeted if they don’t exist? Every. Single. Time. Someone from
Hamas does something stupid out of desperation, takes out a couple Israeli soldiers, and Israel responds by slaughtering hundreds to thousands of Palestinian civilians. Completely disproportionate in every way.
Like it’s kind of wild how much gall it takes to straight up REVERSE a statistic like that, and state it as fact. You should be ashamed of yourself.
https://twitter.com/UNSCO_MEPP/status/1393940810937348098?s=20
I look forward to the evidence you will provide that disproves the UN’s claim that Hamas purposely uses heavily populated civilian areas to stage attacks. Also, I think Hamas did more than “take out a couple Israeli soldiers” this time.
It is possible to condemn Israel’s far right government while also recognizing Hamas as scum. We can simultaneously damn both for killing civilians without making it seem like one has given the other justification.
agree. fuck hamas. every death of this conflict is on their hands
Maybe you shouldn’t speak on this one bud
No, the Palestinians who are killed are on the hands of Israel, who killed them. The “they did it first” argument didn’t work with your mom when you and your siblings were fighting as kids, what the fuck kind of mental gymnastics makes you think it works when we’re talking about genocide of an entire people? You’re out of your damn mind.
And don’t get gleeful watching Palestinians die, because Israel is about to invade Gaza. That’s house-to-house and room-to-room fighting. Ask the Russians how that went in WW2, or the Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan. The Israelis haven’t done all their dying, they’re just signing up for the slaughter now.
The “they did it first” argument didn’t work with your mom when you and your siblings were fighting as kids
yet that is all you whiny terrorist supporters have been bitching and crying about since the attack (its ok to attack israel cause TheY dId It FiRSt
It was always unclear who was worse because it as always a tit for tat that has been going on for so long. It is such a complex issue.
What is not complex is this terror attack was totally one-sided and came at a time when tensions had been dropping and things seemingly improving. It is clear Hamas has gone too far, and it was just brutal to witness.
Isreal government leadership needs to change, and Hamas needs to be eliminated. Netanyahu has been in power for far too long and its dangerous, and unlikely to resolve and issues they have.
Once he is gone and Hamas is gone, they can perhaps come back to the bargaining table.
Tensions were rising not dropping.
At the next Hamas leadership meeting
“Guys our attacks are causing us to lose the support of Internet neckbeards that kind of sort of support us but never did anything at all to show that support”
“Oh no, they’re our most crucial supporters”
“I told you we should have just kept letting the IDF commit war crimes on us with impunity”
go outside and touch grass pal.
if you weren’t terminally online in this echo chamber you would see the rest of the world isn’t on your side. I guess it’s easy to cheer on child deaths on the other side of the world if you don’t have a job and live on chips and coke.
I recommend a shower too
I think you’re trying to simplify things. Both can be shitty but you need to be blind to think this “Hamas” attack is actually Palestinians.
you’d be blind if you think I even said that
Hamas could probably extrapolate what came next, it’s not exactly new ground. As for your sympathy, it didnt change a damn thing for them in the first place what did they lose?
Have you seen the air raids in the Gaza strip? They fucked up big time. They’re getting carpet bombed, I can’t believe they didn’t see this coming
They did I’m sure. This will turn more people against Israel. Israel has all the power, and they continuously kill civilians, sometimes because Hamas is using them but often for no reason. As bad as it is, this is how you fight when you don’t have equal power. You cause an overreaction and capitalize on it. It also shows that Bibi isn’t actually “Mr. Security” like he says.
Entire settlements have been burned to the ground, the population murdered and kidnapped. This will end now, and it will end violently, there is no other way. Hamas is the governing body of the failed autonomous region of gaza and now they will pay the price for starting a war.
Palestinians are going to suffer for what Hamas has started. And doubt very much that the common Palestinian wanted this. However, Israel’s bombing of civilian infrastructures in Gaza is only going to perpetuate this violence.
Nobody wins in this conflict. But, it would be a big win for the region if Nethnyahu and his party were removed and replaced with a peace seeking parliament that could turn things around.
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That’s the same as saying that there can be no peace with Palestinians and the only way to resolve this is by hauling them all in trucks to crematoriums or the Jordanian border.
Not going to happen. Either of these “Solutions” from either side of the coin.
That’s like solving depression with suicide.
Everybody wants peace… via total victory.
It’s rare for sides to genuinely want peace through equality and forgiveness with bitter enemies.
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Click the linked article and read again what you are defending.
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Do you live in North America? I’m native so if you are, get the fuck out of here, otherwise don’t protest if I fuck you up right? You’re in my ancestral home after all, and you’re the occupier here
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Your “homeland” has been bounced around so long that just about any ancient people in that region can claim it as theirs. Fuck your ancestors and your stone age feuds. If you really want this, go over there and join Hamas. I’m native blood living in North America, and I’m not about to start murdering people cause they took my ancestors home.
What if they took your home? Or your father’s home, your grandfather’s? All your families and neighbors? Then put you in MA open area concentration camp, controlled your food, water, electricity and movement, started destroying your sacred places, etc. Natives killed people for that, too.
So… exactly what they said by saying that they were Native American and living in North America? You’re splaining.
The colonists took their ancestor’s home as well as everyone of their same culture. Decades later, Americans forced Native Americans to move with the Trail of Tears, and then created half-independent reservations for them. They don’t have control over their food nor water nor electricity. And when haven’t Americans defiled sacred native places?
Native Americans could decide to overthrow state governments tomorrow and I could not truly fault them if civilians remained safe. I’m of the mind that the US deeply owes natives reparations and aid. While in the past some tribes did take up arms, others decided to adapt. The Seminoles in Florida don’t want the football team’s native American mascot changed because it is an homage treated with proper respect.
No it’s not the same because this just happened and is still happening. That’s what I’m saying the difference is. While they both matter, there’s a big difference between wrongs that were done to your ancestors, which is what they were talking about, and wrongs that are done to you and family you know personally. You don’t know really know until you’re in that position. So for those tribes that did take up arms, honestly I don’t blame them one bit.
Although obviously I’d probably condemn them if I lived in the same time period and saw them raping people and do the heinous shit Hamas did, from a historical standpoint, I can’t judge the natives’ armed struggle against the forces of colonialism.
I guess I took the view that ancestor vs direct family wrongs ultimately have the same effect, but I actually disagree with that now, thinking about it more. I get what you mean, from personal experience. An institution fucking over your great great grandfather is different than the institution fucking over your father.
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So the UN vote for the two state solution was illegal? I’ll go tell them a tankie said so.
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No, but you’re skipping a couple of steps between 1914 and 1947.
Either way, your point is short and vague.
It could well be the end of Palestine. I hardly see Netanyahoo stopping until Hamas is completely wiped out. Israel is on a warpath now, and any civilian human shields Hamas tries to put in the way are going to be destroyed as well because Israel DGAF now.
In the end, Israel is going to commit more atrocities than Hamas in total. And by that point there may not be a Palestine left.
I’m worried about how many civilian casualties there will be
from what i know about the Conflict and the current Israeli Government and Military, there will be massive retaliations against the Palestine Populations everywhere ensuring that no Wounds get mended, instead new ones get opened and this conflict continues on forever.
“Settlements”. What a cute word for genocide.
“Settlements”. What a cute word for genocide.
Every day for decades Israelis have been destroying Palestinian villages and killing or injuring innocent Palestinians.
How would you feel if Israelis burnt your toddler to death?
https://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-palestinian-child-burnt-to-death-20150730-story.html
Israel is the oppressor, they are the only side who has the power to end this situation and give the Palestinians back their freedom instead of murdering them in ghettos.
For peace you need two sides at the table, and both sides gave in to their fanatics (Israeli settlers and Hamas/Islamic Jihad).
Both sides of the extremes have proven what they would do if they are in charge.
Violence, terror… genocide.
Not saying you’re wrong, but Israel funded those fanatics so the Palestinian peace movement would lose steam. They wanted this to happen.
You are painfully correct, but it is a complicated situation stretching to the days of Prime Minister Itzhak Rabin and his assassination, and there’s history before that.
If you want to brutally simplify it, you can point the finger at the current prime minister and the Israeli settlers and their supporters in the right wing.
Just don’t forget to point your other finger at Hamas, abu-mazen (PLO leader, Holocaust denier), Yasser Arafat and Iran.
It is, as I said previously, complicated.
Why would I point the finger at Hamas? It wouldn’t exist if Israel didn’t support it while they were taking out people Israel wanted gone.
I feel the same way about al queda, we created it so we don’t get to complain.
Hamas started in 1987 and always was a Muslim ISIS-like organization who’s goal was the destruction of Israel.
Until the rule of Benjamin Netanyahu, no Israeli government supported Hamas. Quite the contrary, it fought against it. It is not like the US and Al-Queda (which was used as a proxy against the Soviets).
wouldn’t exist if Israel didn’t support it while they were taking out people Israel wanted gone.
I’m not sure I understand your claim here.
Suck when Hamas uses you as a human shield
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I hope you feel strongly enough about this to go join Hamas. It’s your chance to stand up to the Zionists, and heroically blow up a music festival full of innocent people. And suffer the consequences.
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Israel is the oppressor
I don’t disagree with this line, but they are also the victim. The origins of the nationalist movement for a Jewish state came in light of Russian pogroms killing Jews – a Jewish scholar noted that the only way they could have peace, freedom, and respect seemed to be having a nation of their own.
Israel has absolutely been the oppressor for a lot of the country’s history, but it takes some fucking gall to say Israel is the oppressor after Hamas killed and kidnapped civilians. Your logic in fact would suggest Israel has the moral high ground now. The Hamas attack has killed a ton of innocent people, including children.
Tell me, does Hamas have the right to kill Israeli children because the Israeli government killed Palestinian children? If so, does Israel have the right if we reverse the situation?
What the Israeli government has done to Palestinians is a war crime and an atrocity. That does not mean Israel is the villain and Hamas is the good guy. The opposite isn’t true either. You’re grossly simplifying the conflict and not trying to understand its roots.
Very sad to see for the village.
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The Palestinians will pay for their crimes this times. The gates of hell will open above them, and the fire will rain down on them. They still won’t regret what they did because they are so full of hate and they lack the cognitive ability for it.
You’re talking like the terrorists you indite.
The path to total victory will be a pyrrhic one, regardless of if you’re Palestinian or Israeli.
PalestiniansHamasNo he’s right in that regard unfortunately, the Palestinians will now suffer and the whole world will watch. Israel doesn’t view Palestinians as people, they will gladly murder dozens of civilians just to get at one hamas loser.
100%, that’s exactly what’s going to happen.
Turn down your hate a notch - as others have already said: it is not „the Palestinians“ - it is Hamas
I’m pretty sure Jesus frowns upon delighting in the en masse deaths of a people. I believe that’s the story of thing that opens the gates of hell for you personally.
