So this is one of the numerous times when Christian fundamentalists and Islamists are working together on a goal: oppressing freedom and knowledge.
It’s extremely creepy that those pedophilic organizations are always fighting against sexual education: maybe because kids then would know that what the religious figure says and does is criminal?
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Classic peaceful religions
If you believe in eternal torture or happiness after death, basically anything is justifiable here on Earth to bring someone to your side or prevent them from “falling” to something that would land them in the bad place. In fact it’s not just justifiable but a moral imperative if you believe you can save someone an infinite amount of suffering even if you cause temporary suffering now.
If someone believes in a god that implements eternal torture, they believe in a god everyone should despise, and should at least be honest about that part. Don’t call it love, call it fear and terror.
The idea of a life after death where an idyllic eternal life can be simply purchased with belief demeans and devalues this life. You will never convince me that someone believing such things would be more moral and ethical than someone who believes that this life is all we get. I would argue that such belief is a cornerstone to a lack of ethics and morals because it implies nothing in this life really matters.
The whole known world is reduced to being a glorified sorting hat.
It doesn’t imply that nothing in this life really matters. It implies that belief and living a life following the moral code outlined in the respective book and interpreted by the respective religious authorities is really important. That’s the whole ruse and why religion like this works tremendously in achieving its goals.
If the only reason you don’t harm others is so that you’ll get a place in paradise, you are not a moral or ethical person, you are a an egotistical hypocrite and a fake “good person”. Non-religious people who don’t harm others simply because they respect them and just don’t want to harm them, are the truly moral ones.
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Seems about as peaceful as BLM
Several Islamic groups have also condemned the program in a joint statement, fearing it will favor “hypersexualization” of children.
Aren’t these the same people that think marrying girls at 10 years of age is fine?
in the same way that everyone on the internet is an incel.
I say this as a person without a religious bone in my body — it’s very easy when slinging around /r/atheism levels of schoolboy humor to cross into xenophobia and racism.
What, practically, is the difference between, “all Muslims are pedophiles?” and "all Jews are pedophiles?’
The latter seems like something from Lauren Bobert/MTG/Palin/Alex Jones/Tucker Carlson. So why is the former acceptable?
It honestly makes me uneasy being on Lemmy seeing the frequency of which people are quick to jump to their Islamaphobic pitchforks. Weren’t we meant to be smarter than Reddit? Is it really that enlightened to suggest because someone comes from a culture they are child abusers?
What do you mean “islamophobic pitforks”? These were Islamic groups that were involved. That it’s accepted in Islamic culture to wed off a girl as soon as she bleeds is no more “islamophobic” that saying the sun can give you cancer. Not everybody will hand over their daughter to be wed as soon as she bleeds, no more than the sun will give you cancer as soon as you step into it.
Point the hypocrisy out between “she bleeds, she may be wed” and “sexual education is hypersexualisation” is not “islamophobic”.You’re just looking to have the moral highground. “see guys, I told that dude he’s an islamophobe, where are my upvotes?”
Also, not everything is globally recognized as pedophilia. Just because in your Western (American?) brain it has been taught so, doesn’t mean that it is so to everybody.
If some members of a group are bad, all members are bad — does that mean you and I are both pedophiles for posting on Lemmy, which has had a large amount of CSAM posted to it?
I live in America, I grew up in the UK, my family are Polish and German. So presumably by the same token that all Muslims are pedophiles — I love putting the Japanese in internment camps, and injecting black people with syphilis; I love running slave plantations, committing genocide, inventing concentration camps, using concentration camps, causing famines as an act of war, and I want to invade myself because I hate the Jews — of which I am arguably a ethnic member of depending on how you interpret genealogy.
Doesn’t those arguments strike you as absurd?
Your argument is flawed. Heritage cannot be chosen. Following a certain religion is a choice however.
No. Islam is not one single thing. The majority of those (some of whom don’t want Sex Ed in school) don’t like pedophilia either (I am not saying it is a good thing to not want Sex Ed, I think that’s stupid) __ And before anyone says anything, yes I understand this is part of Islamic history but it doesn’t mean the whole collective of Muslims are “okay” with it, or that these people are those, that would be insane.
Edit: made my pov clearer
No, it’s not part of Islamic history, it is part of Islamic theology.
Most Muslims are Sunni, and within Sunni Islam there are 4 schools of jurisprudence. All four of these schools have deemed it acceptable to marry a girl off as soon as she is born, and hand her over to her rapist when she turns 9 years old or bleeds.
While most Muslims are anti pedophilia, the Islamic sources and clerics are not. It is a huge problem where I’m from.
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De Croo spoke just hours after a sixth school in the French-speaking Wallonia region was torched this week.
Sixth burnt school this week! Holy shit.
As it turns out, fundamentalists are actually terrorists.
Because they are educating the children! How dare they?!
Wtf Belgium, you’re not the United States. Chill out.
We arent :')
The problem is that extremists are everywhere and with the easy access of information, things from other places are happening here too, even if they are not applicable ( like police voilence or blm protests ). That said, fuck those extremists, whatever their background is :')
Also, this article sucks. It doesnt even explain what the new sexual education is about
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I’m sorry… you don’t think police violence and BLM are applicable in Belgium?
Police violence is endemic wherever the police exist, and I find it hard to believe that racism against black & brown people isn’t a problem in the place that ruled the Belgian Congo until 1960.
I wonder if I just google “belgian police racism”…
Oh. Oh no.
Oh we definitely have racism. It’s just less “black lives matter” and more “only my skin colour matters”. And yeah, this definitely extends to the police too. But given they’re very, very scrutinised every time they dare pull their gun in public, at least we don’t have the “police raids wrong unit and shoots owner” happenings.
What is happening is still far from OK, any instance of racism is one too many, but the problems here are a bit more nuanced than what is in general shared on a public, overly-Americanized forum.
And in case you are American/Canadian/Australian, can I please point back to whatever is still happening to your native population? Not a single country is free from blame from what they did to other or their own nations. Call me butthurt, but I’m getting quite a bit tired of getting called out on the Congo on every single thread mentioning Belgium while that was mostly, originally one man’s doing. Again, nuance, I know more stuff happened afterwards, but it’s not relevant to this thread.
I don’t care about your personal level of culpability or whatever. This isn’t a nationalistic game of finger pointing, you know that, right?
Like yeah, my country did genocides too. That’s just reality. I’m just not so small minded that I think it reflects on me personally. The ruling class is always the numerical minority. Fuck Australia. Fuck every state. The difference is that I’m not out here trying to pretend like my dominators are any better than the rest.
Like if you don’t want to have people constantly pointing out your country’s violent racist crimes both historical and present, maybe stop trying to downplay them. Maybe people wouldn’t say this to you so often if you listened for once and stopped volunteering that your country is actually pretty good in comparison. It. Is. Not.
You completely ignored the fact that your police are racist, and it’s not against white people. Your “only my skin colour matters” line sounds one step away from the reverse racism crap that white supremacists love to bang on about. It’s the most American thing you’ve said so far.
I think they meant “with only my skin colour matters” that Belgium has a higher rate of racism against other skin colour than just black people. As a lot of the bigotry is also cultural, so more against where you from specifically, instead of which colour is your skin. As it is in most of Europe. The North African and Arab community has got it bad since they are Muslim and brown and the biggest group of immigrants. So he definitely didn’t ignore it. He only pointed out that there are some policies in place, so that the actions of racist cops at least cannot lead to the slaughter of innocent people.
Pointing out the differences is not as bad as you think. It high lights what policies and changes can at least minimize the effect of racism. Just saying everything and everyone is racist, independent of the impact of bad and good policies, will just create a hyper cynisme that it is all shit and any change doesn’t matter.
even if they are not applicable ( like police voilence or blm protests )
“Not applicable” then got walked back to “at least we don’t have the “police raids wrong unit and shoots owner” happenings” when I showed that it definitely is applicable. Like congrats, you don’t have the absolute worst police in the world in your country of extreme wealth that was garnered through plunder and genocide along with the rest of the colonial powers.
And BLM isn’t just confined to advocating for black people specifically, they have solidarity with other victims of police violence, especially the racialised ones. The idea that the banner can’t be used for advocacy in other places makes no sense. It absolutely is “applicable”.
As for the cynicism, it’s right to be cynical about the police. They are a cynical organisation. The moment the ruling class comes under threat the gloves will come off and they won’t give two shits about scrutiny or paperwork. It’s a thin veneer of civility, not actual safety.
Not my police
I always saw Belgium as redneck France.
it’s not a baguette, it’s a bread stick, mon ami!
Cheesy bread
Sounds like some adults need to be taught the program, too.
Same shit, different century.
What the fuck.
The land of Marc Dutroux and Cristian fundamentalism. Forget the fries and waffles.
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