The advanced S-400 ‘Triumf’ air-defence system was destroyed in a joint operation by Kyiv’s security service and navy, Ukrainian intelligence sources said The attack off the coast of Yevpatoriya was orchestrated through the aerial drones and Neptune domestic missiles, Ukrainian official Anton Gerashchenko said
Ukraine used drones and missiles to take down an advanced Russian air-defence system worth US$1.2 billion early on Thursday, according to multiple reports.
The advanced S-400 “Triumf” air-defence system was destroyed in a joint operation by Kyiv’s security service (SBU) and navy, the BBC and Reuters reported, citing Ukrainian intelligence sources.
The attack off the coast of Yevpatoriya was orchestrated through the use of aerial drones and Neptune domestic missiles, per Anton Gerashchenko, a Ukrainian official writing on Telegram.
Yevpatoriya is a coastal city in the west of occupied Crimea, which Russia seized from Ukraine in 2014.
The air-defence system fired its rounds to shoot the drones down, thus revealing its location, Rybar reported. Ukraine waited until it had fired all its ammo, then targeted it with cruise missiles.
Killbots have a hardwired kill limit.
Knowing their weakness, I sent wave after wave of my own drones at them…
Looks like he was not completely wrong. A valid strategy!
That’s pretty clever
Seems too obvious, though. What protections do other air defense systems use?
Paper and paper derivatives. Like cardboard.
They keep a reserve of missiles for defense instead of blowing their load on likely decoys.
NATO have really good threat analysis so they’d try to target the drones with turret machine guns, small rockets, or air defence drones and leave the big boys sitting ready for larger and faster moving attacks.
Practically though a conflict between major powers would quickly turn into a production race to see who can turn out the most drones
I don’t know what size of drones we are talking about but Australia is sending cardboard drones to Ukraine.
Cardboard drones that have a range of 100km with a 3kg payload.
I feel like cheap done and internet access really changed the way war is done.
That makes a lot of sense especially if they’re essentially loitering munitions, just need a bunker full of operators and you can stick a whole cloud of them in the sky so once an operator has exploded one drone there’s another just coming into range of the battlefield…
Plus you could probably make so many cardboard drones that just flying then randomly over Russian controlled ground will draw fire from air defense and waste ammo, they should make a super simple one that just flies in the direction of the Kremlin until it gets shot down, could cut out most the electronics and if they’re released from a mothership already high up then the motor could be super simple too.
War really has changed a lot, and the scary thing is it’s only going to keep changing
Why does every news article nowadays repeat itself at least 2 times? There are almost the exact same sentences twice. You don’t even have to read past the abstract because there is no other information at all in the actual text. And besides, you avoid having to scroll past 7 gigantic ads
I’m so happy. I thought it was just me noticing this. I really dislike when the headline is the headline, summary and first paragraph. By the time I get to the substance of the article I’ve read the first paragraph three times.
SEO, AI generated content
Did you ever have to write a paper in school with a minimum page or word count?
I think it’s because the first paragraph is usually preview content for news aggregators and search engines, so it’s used as an appetizer.
Whoooaaa… The South China Morning Post is reporting this in this kind of tone? Now that is a shifting of the tides, they didn’t have to talk up how “prized” it was. No wonder Putin is cozying up to Kim.
Never thought I’d see the day where Russia comes crawling to North Korea, but if Xi’s support is starting to wilt this much, they’re going to need anyone they can get.
They even threw this in for shits and giggles:
This would not be the first time Russia accidentally revealed its location by attempting to shoot down Ukrainian targets.
Last week, Ukraine said it was able to attack Russian soldiers after they attempted to shoot down a Ukrainian flag that was attached to helium balloons and flew into occupied territory.
I don’t think there was any support from China in the first place it’s just that China didn’t want to cross Russia publicly. They probably did remind Russia of the nuclear guarantees they gave to Ukraine in private, which is why we hear Russia threatening the west but not Ukraine, and then sat back while Russia dug its own grave. Publicly opposing Russia might have stopped Russia from doing that. Generally speaking, you can expect the Chinese to be shifty just as you can expect Yanks to whip their dick around and the Swiss to profit by harbouring money.
And while some Chinese munition was found in Russian stockpiles it’s overall quite little, probably arriving there via third parties. If China actually backed Russia up with hardware things would look quite different.
Just as a heads up, SCMP is a bit of an iffy source, being owned by alibaba and run as a near state owned paper. At one point, it was also owned by Murdoch as well.
Since the change of ownership in 2016, concerns have been raised about the paper’s editorial independence and self-censorship. Critics including The New York Times, Der Spiegel, and The Atlantic have alleged that the paper is on a mission to promote China’s soft power abroad.
I noticed that the fediverse really isn’t great at noticing unscrupulous people and sources, so it’s heartening to see this.
I’ve noticed! I try to help raise awareness of potentially unreliable sources when I recognize them. :)
Is it that people don’t notice the source or that they prefer sources that are open about their biases? How is it any less useful to know that this source is generally pushing a pro-China story when we also know that the NYT, BBC, etc will push a pro-US and pro-NATO bias and then strut around pretending that they are somehow balanced and unbiased?
Talk about eating up propaganda…
A big part of seeing through the bias of an organization is reading around through other sources with different biases and then taking a critical look at all of them so you can get closer to what is actually going on and challenge your own biases. I find the users on Lemmy tend to actually read the sources that are provided whereas people are so bad about reading sources posted to Reddit that commenters not reading the source became a meme on Reddit.
This comment is just another example of the pretentious Redditor attitude that an exudes an air of, “Here, let me grace you all with my superior intellect as you are all a bunch of uncultured swine.” Instead of blindly applying a negative judgement against the community, why don’t you stop and think about why it may be this way? Better yet, ask others why they read outside of mainstream sources instead of assuming you know better.
No source is ever unbiased and to pretend otherwise and place sources that confirm your own bias on a pedestal is pure, uncritical drivel. Be critical of the Chinese media, but don’t pretend that Western sources are any better. Every public communication you see from any organization is propaganda.
Article is misleading. These systems are never a single unit. There’s parts spread around where radar is separate from launchers, and other components etc. It’s not clear in the article what exactly was destroyed.
This was a triumf
I’m making a note here, huge success.
It’s hard to overstate Russian incompetence
They should have had two so that they could protect each other.
Doesn’t work
3?
They don’t have that many left.
2.5?
