Israel’s strike on the Jabalia refugee camp has led to more intense pushback from the Biden administration.
Hamas made me do it. The bloodstains on the walls are just ketchup and the children getting dragged from under the rubble are just paid actors. Please get your current president to condemn Hamas and give us a shout out, thanks.
Hamas bombed the refugee camp. We know what we initially said, but that was bad intelligence, also from Hamas. We have since learned that a stray rocket from Hamas was responsible for this and all future attacks on the refugee camp, of which there will be, shall we say, several.
I used to think Israel was an American colony, turns out is the other way around.
"Because we can.
Now run along and get us more fucking money to bomb more refugees, or we’ll tell your constituents back home you’re an antisemite. Off you go."
US: Israel, why did you b?
Israel: Shut up Bitch.
US: Sorry, here is more money.
Edit: shit, I just saw someone had already made a similar comment but better.
“Can you tell us what happened? We know its not your fault baby, promise not to get mad.”
“We learned it by watching you!”
TIL the U.S. is Eric Cartman’s mom irl.
But when it comes to any other country, they’re much more like Kyle’s mom.
It’s a stark contrast of response to the Russian invasion of Ukraine. It turns out there are limits to the “right to self defence” and those are mostly governed by public narrative.
Sadly, it’s only the people in the disputed territories and their families that truly suffer consequences for their decision to salt the earth.
Ukraine and Palestine are the equals in this scenario not Ukraine and Israel
I think their point was, the US supports Isreal and Ukraine, but Ukraines support was conditional on them waging a humane war in self defense, but Isreal has no such restrictions, and the US has been incredibly slow to question them.
Edit - NM, re-read. It’s simpler than that. Ukraine defending itself - good. Hamas defending itself (from a US ally) - bad.
It does kind of stretch “defending themselves” a bit far if it lumps the initial attack. Like, I get how you could somewhat justify it by saying it was the result of decades of apartheid oppression, but targeting innocents isn’t exactly a great way go about that, and why most instantly rallied behind Ukraine after Russia started their war by indiscriminately targeting civilians as well.
First strike does matter, though.
It can’t be the only thing that matters, but in both, our initial support went to the one attacked*.
- some may argue there is no first attack and I’m not unsympathetic to the point. It’s just not the prevailing narrative.
Not saying this isn’t important, but like literally every time hamas decides to do something this comes up.
If you consider how and why hamas was created, then no they aren’t really the first strike. That would have been Israel back in 1949.
Not that it would have changed much in terms of USA support had it been the other way around, but first strike really needs to be not taken as some auto indicator of who is wrong, especially now that countries have figured out how easy it is to run false flags for publicity.
tbf though, I think this is the first time hamas ever launched a surprise attack that wasn’t a direct response for a recent event.
https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties I agree with you that the first strike counts, but according to this source the first strike belongs to Israel. 165K Palestinians injured from 2008 till 7.10.23. don’t know for you, but for me this is a staggering high number, vs. … 6K
Yup, After a year long campaign to support Ukraine against Russian occupation, I have witnessed this change of tune too, and now suddenly living under occupation and fighting your oppressor is wrong.
Ah yes, the courageous stand of “I demand answers in a strongly-worded letter!” will surely stop the genocide of Palestinians
What a spineless bunch of fucks.
Don’t forget the repeated messages saying that they must defend themselves within international law.
Perhaps the unwavering support for the zionists is wavering a little.
Hallelujah. Wait.
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Fuck the US (government not people) at this point. The hypocrisy is just vile.
Here’s how that exchange will go.
Israel: yes we bombed that refugee camp
US: Oh okay. Here’s 2 billion more tax monies, carry on
Israeli forces have already released explanations regarding these strikes to the press:
First strike:
An Israel Defense Forces statement said the strike on Jabalia, Gaza’s largest refugee camp, had killed Ibrahim Biari. It said he was a ringleader of what it called the “murderous terror attack” on Oct. 7.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-says-it-fires-israeli-troops-pressing-gaza-ground-assault-2023-10-31/Second strike:
The Israeli military said its fighter jets struck a Hamas command and control complex in Jabalia “based on precise intelligence,” killing the head of the Islamist group’s anti-tank missile unit, Muhammad A’sar.
“Hamas deliberately builds its terror infrastructure under, around and within civilian buildings, intentionally endangering Gazan civilians,” an Israeli statement said.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-military-jets-strike-gaza-camp-says-hamas-commander-killed-2023-11-01/It seems like the US wants some press showing they are concerned, I would be surprised if they didn’t already know exactly what is happening and why.
Oh good, pack it in everyone, the murderers said it was OK that they killed a bunch of innocent people.
It’s like when bank robbers take a hostage everyone knows the standard protocol is to kill everyone in the building to get them.
“The Negotiator” would have apparently been a very different movie had it been produced in Israel. I wonder who the recast gets to replace Kevin Spacey?
Because a bank robbery is just like war between governments…? Collateral damage is a lot more common, normal, and acceptable in war than it is in police actions.
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