• McDropout@lemmy.world
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    Engaging in the act of actively occupying another individual’s territory, confining them in concentration camps, employing indiscriminate carpet bombing, killing approximately 30.000 and asserting dominion over essential resources such as water, electricity, and medical provisions is undeniably more morally reprehensible and ethically repugnant.

    But yes, hostage (who is an occupier) announcing fate of “hostages” (also occupiers) is sick.

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      This is a disgusting attempt to excuse terrorism and victim-blame innocent hostages.

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        Innocent? She served in the IDF

        They’re both terrorists. And I have sympathy for neither.

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          Military service is compulsory in Israel. You might as well call all Vietnam veterans terrorists and revel in their capture. Absolutely sickening take.

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            You can take the 30 days in prison instead, and many do. If you know that military service involves being an occupying force (as opposed to just dicking around with guns like in other countries), the moral choice is to do the 30 days.

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            I have so much more respect for anyone who burned their draft card than anyone who has ever served in any military in human history.

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              Congrats on that smug sense of superiority. Maybe this is not the place for it.

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                Lol excellent point. I’m glad you sensed the inherent superiority of my position. But I’ll go ahead and spew anti fascism anywhere I like thanks.

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                  Spew all you like but remember who defends your right to do it.

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                    The American civil liberties union?

                    Like who the fuck are you pretending is trying to silence this type if speech of not the US government?

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        She served in the IDF which makes her not only an occupier but also a terrorist.

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            They can reject serving in the IDF for spending one year in jail.

            I think I’d rather spend my time in jail than be a terrorist. But hey, I have morals. Not a lot of Israelis have them.

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              Not everyone can opt to spend a year in prison to avoid military service. That’s some champagne socialist shit.

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                Flee the country then? Pretending that agreeing to become a murderer for hire / geunie pig / cannon fodder is somehow more agreeable because of long term financial impacts is straight out of a lucky duck comic.

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                No part of what they said was antisemitic.

                It was anti Israeli, please don’t conflate the two.

                “They can reject serving in the IDF for spending one year in jail.

                I think I’d rather spend my time in jail than be a terrorist. But hey, I have morals. Not a lot of Israelis have them.”

                That is what they said and they don’t even come close to mentioning jews

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                  This reaction is exactly what Israel wants. For anti-zionist and anti-israeli views to be equated to anti-semitism, and to be censored as such.

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      If you’re going to whaddabout like this, then what about the US and Canada? They are occupied territories. But instead of a timeline of almost 1 century, it’s a timeline of a few centuries. Where do we draw the line? Or should the US and Canada be giving back their territory?

      You’re blaming a victim here based on the circumstances of her birth.

      Or hey, when we’re in that territory, should white Americans be personally responsible for slavery? Any problems a white American experiences should be written off, and have them described with “(who is an oppressor)”?

      Your comment is in terribly poor taste.

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        Or should the US and Canada be giving back their territory?

        They should be doing more than they’re doing for Native Americans now, that’s for sure.

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        The problem is with these kinds of ‘great thinkers’ is that their answer is inevitably “Yes” to all of those questions, because their entire worldview is based off the premise that certain people and groups are inherently bad and other people and groups are inherently good.