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So hold on, no troops in Ukraine, because they’re not NATO, but troops in Israel no problem?
Or is it because US is scared shitless of Putin? Or is it because a lot of prople sympathise eith Putin?
Maybe there’s no profit in aiding Ukraine?
Oh shit. Either he’s trolling Harris’s campaign or they really are a cult. Very popular decision joe, sure people will forget till november.
I got to believe Bibi has him by the balls somehow. It’s the only thing that makes sense.
Can we article 25 this fool? Harris might have a better chance if she’s already been president for a bit anyway.
But Harris will most likely just send more troops. She did confirm she „supports” israel.
US President Joe Biden has said he is “absolutely, positively” urging Israel to stop firing at UN peacekeepers during its conflict with Hezbollah in Lebanon, following two incidents in 48 hours. Source
Some hours later: Biden absolutely, positively sends troops to help Israel out. WTF…
To support UN peacekeepers, right?
… right?
“absolutely, positively”
It isn’t bad enough that we’re arming the genocide and the unchecked aggression against Israel’s neighbors? Now we’ve got to fucking participate in it?
You’ve already been participating: The failed aid pier had one use, and it was a military one.
One day closer to World War 3, I guess.
I hate how I can’t even comfort myself by knowing this idiocy will cost them the election because these fucks are the less horrible option.
Yep, this is coming from the most ‘leftist’ candidates we are allowed to vote for. Pretty fucked up options we get to choose from. I hate it here.
Imagine dying not to protect US people or not even their interest.
The people are fools and leaders are cunts.
I feel so bad for the people being deployed and their families. These people are being positioned to be triggers for a war against Iran. They believe it will be easier to manufacture consent for that war if the administration (whichever one we have) can point to dead Americans. Sick shit.
There’s plenty of dead Americans already on both sides of this conflict. But somehow the brown ones don’t get mentioned.
We both know the only color that will matter here is green. The second an American soldier is killed by an Iranian missile Trump and the GOP will campaign on full war with Iran. I honestly don’t know what’s going on with Biden, this is ridiculously bad for any attempt to reduce tensions.
They should point to the Americans killed by Israel
They don’t care about kids dying in their own backyards. They definitely don’t give a shit about Americans abroad.
Give me links so I can send them to my maga parents
As an aside, “THAAD battery” sounds like someone harnessed exasperation towards a rich kid and converted it into electricity 😁
There is a lot about this that is nuts, but one thing that really jumps out at me.
It seems like Netanyahu is planning an October surprise to shank Harris. And it seems like he is doing it in broad daylight. It certainly seems like a massive offensive strike on Iran one or two weeks before the election is a straightforward way to throw a close election to Trump.
But with this I have to ask: are Biden and Harris assisting with a plan that is clearly intended to cost Harris the election?
I want to say that they surely must’ve told Israel not to launch anything before election day. But based in their actions so far, it doesn’t seem like they’re imposing a “no election interference against us personally” requirement as a condition of their assistance.
I guess we’ll see.
Nobody snatches defeat from the jaws of victory like a Democrat.
If Harris is in on a plan to strike Iran it wouldn’t cost her the election in the US. All they have to do is say, “We received credible intelligence that Iran had decided to sprint for a nuclear warhead. We had to act in a timely manner.”
What would cost her the election is if an American soldier dies to an Iranian missile and Biden/Harris doesn’t immediately go hard on Iran. Which makes this a ridiculously irresponsible move by Biden.
It wouldnt even need to be much of a shanking for her to lose. A simple paper cut might be enough.
The insanity is not that it is Republicans or Democrats
The insane part is that America is just sleep walking straight into a war that will probably escalate into something much bigger and no one wants to do anything about it.
God help us all
“Never underestimate Joe Bidens ability to fuck everything up”. --Barrack Obama
Make me homelander and I’d shut this shit down in a heartbeat. Until such time best I got is a pencil check in a box on paper.
you can still john wick with that tho
Their messaging so far to Israel has been “do whatever the fuck you want, 💰💰”
“You give me money, I give you weapons of war. You give me money, I ignore the screams of children.”
[the sound of children screaming has been removed]
Oof. Horrific.
I would much rather see a Harris administration handle this than chaos Trump.
She most likely was in the room when Biden authorized the troops you know. She is very much on the same page as Biden on this.
Sucks you guys don’t have any other option.
You have no way of knowing that.
She did say she supports Bidens stance on Israel and that israel has the right to
murder innocent childrenprotect itself.
This is a weird thing to say, but I actually don’t think that there’s any indication that Harris or Trump would do anything substantially different with regard to Israel, but the biggest change is that if Trump wins, I suspect that coverage of this will disappear behind all the coverage of his domestic chaos. At least if Harris is president I think there is a chance we see the press maintain a modicrum of interest in covering this.
Either way, words can’t describe my anger that Harris appears to be prepared to throw the election over her support for genocide. It is an unreal situation to watch.
Its also weird that Trump rallies are full of Nazi flags but Israel still sends them similar bribes anyway.
It’ll disappear by him shutting down all news organizations and outlawing any dissenting opinions. He’s straight up said it. There is no functional difference on this issues between them. It’s the ancillary consequences trump will impose on everyone that is why he should be fired into the sun as an example.
Fuckface 45 literally said that Israel should “finish the job”:
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20240628-trump-let-israel-finish-the-job-in-gaza/
I’m not voting for that Fuckface. Neither should any intelligent person.
So the one says it out loud, the other just keeps the intention quiet.
Both are equally sending weapons.
However with Trump we saw that he pulled American soldiers out of the region and he is much more unstable. So when American soldiers die, he could just decide to fold the whole thing again.
So when American soldiers die, he could just decide to fold the whole thing again.
That would require him to give a shit about the soldiers dying to make a change. His history says the exact opposite of that. Soldiers dying would do absolutely nothing towards whether he changes anything.
Trump pulled most troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan. Sure he doesnt care about the soldiers life, but he isnt committed to being a war hawk. He just does random stuff.
The troop withdrawal was already being worked before Trump even started campaigning. He just decided to speed it up dramatically so he could say he achieved something, and promised a deadline that was unattainable while doing it well. It’s not random, it’s narcissism at the expense of everything else, including the country.
There is a lot a gray out there.
Trump would tell Netanyahu to nuke the place and he’d fucking do it. It would be a catastrophe the likes of which we haven’t seen since WWII.
if they money you get from AIPAC is more than the money you get as US presidency and without the headache of being president, I wounder if Kamala care enough to be a president.
It feels like they are totally beholden to Israel.
If they push back hard, they alienate swing voters who like Israel from the old days, aka apocalypse.
This is actually a persistent myth: there is no evidence that they are beholden to a constituency that would punish them for any actions that curtail Israel.
Israel’s actions are wildly unpopular across the electorate. They are unpopular with nearly all Democrats as well as most independents and a very large plurally of Republicans. I have seen numerous polls that show that there is a very significant number of voters that Harris is losing over this, and I have seen absolutely nothing to indicate that there is any measurable cost to her speaking out against Israel at all. Which is really sad. Because it means that this is absolutely a moral choice on her part. This is not an electoral choice at all.
A majority of Americans are against the action in Gaza. It is a popular opinion not to support it, unless you’re a major donor.
So in the last few weeks, Biden can pull support as much as possible basically giving Bibi the finger. Any funding that dries up is unlikely to have more of an effect than pulling support. This helps Harris win. Then she can re-woo them over the next 4 years.
A majority of those who actually turn out to vote are pro Israel (and no, people under 35 don’t vote in other countries where they have more options, so cut the “they don’t vote because of the support for Israel” bullshit, they don’t vote because they’re young and don’t care)
Okay, well the Harris campaign can continue claiming that the reason she’s down in the polls in Michigan has nothing to do with Gaza.
Perhaps if he does that, then Joe and Harris will be forced to materially change their tune and take some real action in an attempt to save the elction.
Biden is really trying to start a whole new war and make the Democrats lose this election.
Honestly, I think Biden supports this unwaveringly because it aligns with US policy to keep the region destabilized.
I mean they helped overthrow the Shah, aided the Taliban in fighting the soviets, invaded Iraq and Kuwait (which led directly to the creation of jihadist state – ISIS), aided a US-aligned faction in the Syrian civil war, helped put down the 2011 democratic revolutions… there is so much more.
And for what? To keep them from realizing they are all arabs and are sitting on the largest collective reserves of oil in the world…
Evil Empire.
helped put down the 2011 democratic revolutions…
Holy shit tell me more. I’m an Arab and this is my first time hearing of this.
He is petty enough to do that. We’ll and doesn’t seem to give a shit about what terrible things Israel does
Biden has always been a narcissist. And many 80 year olds do get pretty petty and selfish, from what I’ve seen. We really need an age cap on government service so we dont have to go through this again. On supreme court justices and congressman too. Dying on the bench or in office of old age is wildly unacceptable for such important roles. GTFO.
Either he’s making too much money from AIPAC to stop now. Or he’s bitter about being pushed out of the race for president this election. Or both.
Or he’s a true believer. He’s admitted to being a Zionist. The man has a history of being as Pro Israeli as humanly possible to the detriment of everyone else.
This is just who Biden is. His lack of morals make him believe Israel is doing the right thing.
Agreed. It seems Biden decided at some point that he must side with Israel, no matter the cost. (I’m sure Iran intel is not helping.) Netanyahu sees no downside to ruthlessly using this against him, with a bonus of helping elect a more useful idiot.
I’m not sure if Biden has jelly for brains these days. The poor fool has been getting increasingly humiliated by Israel for a year. It’s painful to watch, along with the devastation it’s caused.
Well time to find out if Iran has a nuke and if we get to solve climate change by inducing a nuclear winter(yes I know nuclear winter isn’t real).
yes I know nuclear winter isn’t real
That’s not a consensus view.
According to a peer-reviewed study published in the journal Nature Food in August 2022, a full-scale nuclear war between the United States and Russia, which together hold more than 90% of the world’s nuclear weapons, would kill 360 million people directly and more than 5 billion indirectly by starvation during a nuclear winter.
Another paper published that year, from the Tohoku University Earth science scholar Kunio Kaiho, compared the impact of nuclear winter scenarios on marine and terrestrial animal life with that of historical extinction events. Kaiho estimated that a minor nuclear war (which he defined as a nuclear exchange between India and Pakistan or an event of equivalent magnitude) would cause extinctions of 10–20% of species on its own, while a major nuclear war (defined as a nuclear exchange between United States and Russia) would cause the extinctions of 40–50% of animal species…
There isn’t currently a scientific consensus, as wikipedia should be pointing out, with studies differing massively depending mostly on what model of soil uptake and preservation in atmosphere is used.
We know that the majority of in air debris would not come from the explosion, which is designed to minimize fallout in all modern weapons and deployment models, but from the resulting fires. We also know from previous tests the resulting fires don’t actually last long as they tend to burn through areas quickly.
In short it’s not a sure thing, and if any cooling effect does occur it wouldn’t start to touch the average heating we’ve introduced through climate change.
That long Wikipedia article conveys quite well how there isn’t consensus. We don’t know how bad it would be, because our various best models give different results. But to say it’s not a sure thing is different from saying “nuclear winter isn’t real,” which suggests a consensus that it won’t happen.
Oh fuck.
100 troops is not enough to invade Iran, you silly armchair-general fucks commenting here.
Not the point.
What happens when Iran manages to kill an American soldier a week before the election?
So why did he send them? To help with tel aviv mcdonalds understaffing issue?
Anti missile and aircraft systems are obviously the #1 targets in any attack. And the Israelis gain much more by letting them get hit than by making sure those units are protected in any way. They might even secretly shoot at them themselves to speed things up. I would not want to be one of those THAAD operators.
No, but 100 dead troops is enough to grandstand about to get enough outrage to justify an all-out war in the region.
Unless the US military is stupid to keep all 100 of them in a single easily bombable location, there’s no fucking way on this green earth a single one of them will die in any combat, especially if they are simply manning air defense outposts spread across the country like what the article that no one here reads actually said.
Fun fact, Air Defense is a priority target in missile saturation attacks because it makes it easier for follow on missiles to hit their targets.
