Summary
Donald Trump’s re-election has fueled a surge in misogynistic, homophobic, and racist rhetoric among young men, reportedly emboldened by the president-elect’s history of inflammatory remarks about women.
In schools, boys have been caught using phrases like “your body, my choice” against female peers, prompting districts like Minnesota’s Hopkins Public Schools to issue warnings to parents about harassment.
The impact extends beyond schools, with activists on Texas State University’s campus displaying signs asserting that “women are property.”
This hostile climate has left many women feeling unsafe as a new far-right administration takes power.
Calm down, everyone. Remember, both sides are the same. Harris would have been absolutely no different.
For the members of r/whoosh, I believe this is what’s known as sarcasm.
In all seriousness, I expect a torrent of Tone Police popping up everywhere, telling everyone to Stop Being So Mean To Deplorables ™.
Remember, both sides are the same.
Thumbing a picture of Jeffrey Epstein besides Bill Clinton and Donald Trump
Ok and? We weren’t trying to elect Bill Clinton you fucking mouth breathing cretin.
We weren’t trying to elect Bill Clinton
Clinton was a major campaigner and bundler for the Harris administration. And he’s just the most blindingly obvious example. David Shor, Harris’s campaign chairperson, is also a well known creep.
Thank goodness we didn’t elect Bill Clinton this year. That would have been a disaster.
Still younger than Trump
What does this have to do with ANYTHING. It shows brain damage. You should get your brain checked.
Tbh, this is all a fucking distraction from the class war that the oligarchs are winning without competition. And what a distraction it is! The cure to all these ills is higher taxes on the wealthy, but I don’t think any of those reforms are going to be remotely possible now lol
The proper response to “your body, my choice” is “your nuts, my knee.”
The correct response is “If I’m going to jail because abortion is murder, I may as well kill my rapist”
Yes, but that’s far less pithy.
Also ignores the power dynamic at play. The boy while complain to his Trump-loving teacher and the teacher will call the principal and the principal will call the police and the police will come and arrest the child and then take her to jail where other cops will rape her.
And if you talk about the epidemic of child abuse in police custody or the long history of sexual violence by cops, you’re hurting the Democrats in the next election.
just tell them to remember Lorena
We’re talking kids threatening other kids here. Lorena Bobbitt will mean nothing to them. A knee to the nuts, on the other hand…
well it might give them something to ask about from their parents and spread it around in so doing. but yeah a knee is a good idea in the moment
When dealing with an active threat, a response that the assailant can ignore afterwards is a useless response.
I’m teaching my daughter the same lesson I was taught. You never start a fight but you sure do end it.
Remember that 53% of white women voted for this.
They voted for them and all women to be considered property.
College-educated white women backed Harris. All college-educated groups did. Maybe Democrats should work on making college more affordable, and accessible to women with small children. Frankly we should anyway. We should also start helping girls that get pregnant in high school finish with their diploma so college will be an option in their future. Especially since more of them are going to be forced to carry the pregnancy to term.
Maybe Democrats should work on making college more affordable
Why do you think the wingers reacted so much to having loan forgiveness? Anything that educates more people is something they fear. Having people not being saddled with crippling debts after school only sends a message to others that maybe education is a path for them. The wingers don’t want an educated citizenry.
No, the gop has weaponized anti-intelectualism. The reds won’t vote for a candidate that wants to make college affordable.
Indeed. The qons will call anyone with a degree an “elitist” [1], meanwhile, give the likes of Elon and the convicted felon, who are actual elitists, reacharounds. It’s almost as if actual meanings of words mean nothing to them.
[1] This does not apply to their own kind, even if they were born rich AF and went to Ivy League school(s).
No? What do you mean? You agree with him.
I see you don’t like “right wing” any more than I do, because I think they justify their actions by thinking “we must be right, we’re the right wing.” So I call them the Wrong Wing.
Or sometimes the Human-Rights-Destroying Wing.
Reich wing.
That definitely works too
The DoE is already under attack. It’s part of Project 2025, and they’re laying the groundwork for it already. They’re going to work hard to ensure education is difficult to access and/or neutralized as much as possible.
No, democrats need to adjust their messages to people without a college education.
One of the things that makes Trump so popular is that he panders to people without much education.
A better-educated public is a net gain regardless who’s running the government.
Better educated women are less trapped in abusive relationships, although it still happens, because they have better job prospects and better chance to get law on their side.
Inaccurate. 53% of white women who voted voted for this. A lot sat out and let it happen.
Or were pushed away by voter suppression and hopelessness…
We thought we could bargain with and persuade “conservatives”. They voted for this, they are okay with women dying in hospitals because the doctors can’t legally intervene. The supposed “Pro Life” party. I wasn’t okay with abortion early in my male, hetero, American, white, life but now I see. They are only pro-fetus. Once a child is born, Republicans don’t care if they starve, if they have access to clean water, if they can afford food, if they have shelter, if they are raped, etc… Multiply that by about 100x if they don’t have white skin.
“Conservatives” are almost as bad as MAGAts, and just as unreachable with reason, logic, and empathy. I don’t have a solution, I’m just pissed off. And I’m far from the most-harmed people will be the result of this greed, racism, apathy, and hate. Sorry…
Unfortunately no one hates women more than other women.
Article filled with examples of men expressing hatred and misogyny towards women
“Ayup, no one hates women more than other women!”
You still can’t deny that women do hate women here.
53 percent of women hate women with that additional 10 percent of young women that voted to hate women.
I mean I’m willing to give women as a whole a quarter as a condolence prize since they played themselves.
Where is oversimplification going to lead us one day?
Oh, it’s 2024, never mind then
as i just said in another comment, it scares me to see this shit AGAIN.
this narrative is not making women any safer!
Yeah, the truth certainly doesn’t make women safer.
You really should talk to other white women about that.
which truth is that, that no one hates women like other women?
look at the current climate, i see a lot of woman-hating from all sides, including supposed allies on the left looking for a scapegoat. the oversimplified victim-blaming of dumping our president-elect at the feet of women (again) demonstrates very little understanding of gendered power dynamics and very little effort to build coalition.
to this i would add the threads blaming racial and ethnic minorities, the poor, and the poorly educated.
do you want less suffering in the world, or are you no better than the right in looking for someone to blame, and someone whose suffering you can enjoy because, “they asked for it, they voted for it, they deserve it?”
The truth is 53 percent of white women including 10 percent increase of young white women voted for the behavior. Behavior mind you were say on full force since 2016 and white women voted for again.
As for me, when I being a minority, when I voted for Harris, knowing full well who Trump and company, was looking to my back, didn’t expect 53 percent of white women of stabbing me and other women in the back. And seeing as white women voted for more suffering so I’m going to enjoy the schadenfreude because I’m sure as hell tired of trying to bail the country out from the stupidity of Americans in general. If that makes me as bad as the right, I’m okay with that, at least I voted to not enable this behavior, unlike 53 percent of white women who literally voted for this behavior.
White women need to get there shit in order so fix your own shit before you get all huffy with everyone else who are tired of trying to save you from yourselves.
Again, you should talk to other white women about that.
At least all these undatable men are outing themselves so publicly.
Start making a list ladies!
I’ve been very frustrated that these guys bad behavior is being generalized to all guys. I’m viewed with suspicion despite taking active steps to make things better for the women in my life. I’m not perfect, and I have my moments, but I’m not the undatable Republican dude we’re talking about here.
This isn’t the women’s fault, but I wish I could give some of these asshole misogynists a kick in the face for fucking it up for the rest of us. Having said that, I will be ban happy as a motherfucker the next time I run public events (used to teach classes, think dance, yoga, etc.)
It’s the point where we have to be anti instead of just not. Being anti racist, anti sexist, etc. Calling out the behavior at every turn instead of when it’s especially egregious or burying our heads in the sand as was the norm for decades before.
True. Also, it has to be individual actions since we can’t rely on the Democrats and we definitely can’t rely on the Republicans to fix this from the top down. We’re actually going to have to talk to the misogynists in our lives. Why can’t people fucking act right?
Real men respect women.
Probably going to make 4B more of a thing.
Also: Nick Fuentes has been out as very undatable for a long time.
His in group loves to frequent strip clubs and prostitutes. One of his more high profile stunts was to pay for Brandi Love to attend a GOP convention.
He’s not in it for dating. He sees women like fast cars or fancy gadgets or big houses - just another commodity to demonstrate your status.
I’m thinking he’s someone that had his lunch money taken every day at school, had zero luck with women (or lusted after men but grew up with a warped belief system about sexuality and lives in the closet) and now just wants to make sure no one else is happy, either.
He found fame and money saying this type of stuff. Its to the point where people exclude his attribution in the title because otherwise its not very interesting.
The 2nd Ammendment remains a thing in MAGAstan America, and women retain the right to arm themselves for self-defense. Stand your ground is for women too.
Which is why I have zero qualms about teaching my daughter to stand up for herself in any and every way necessary to end a threat
Wow, the guy who bragged about how he sexually assaults anyone he finds attractive, talked about how he had the same “on the younger side” tastes as his best friend Jeff, talked about how he liked hosting beauty pageants because it gave him an excuse to walk in on girls while they were changing, etc emboldened other people to act the same way? Utter shock. This could never have been anticipated
Anybody who’s surprised should take a deep look in the mirror. You bitches elected a literal rapist into the white house. This is the “great” leader republicans rally behind!
Rapist, terrorist, moron. The trifecta. We’re literally living in the worst timeline :/.
This is all those bastards at CERN’s fault! Somehow the LHC pulled us into a shittier universe where Hitler 2.0 rises to power and there is a series of books called “The Barenstain Bears” instead of “The Bearenstein Bears.”
Harambe would still be alive. We never should have built that collider.
How sad due to the internet, this is spilled over to the younger generation.
statistically younger generations tend to skew more liberal. Now we know why Musk bought Twitter propaganda.
I will tell you that middle schoolers these days just say the dumbest shit. Like lines they’ve heard others say but have no idea what it means.
And they argue over the dumbest shit too. Anyways this is just me saying this story fits well with my current understanding of young kids in school. I think its only news because it related to trump and the election, and thats worth money nowadays.
Remember, the news stories we are served are chosen by profitability rather than social impact.
As someone who grew up pre-Internet, I will say that the Internet was not required for middle schoolers to say dumb shit. In fact, as I saw the “information superhighway” blooming, my hope was that the dumb shit would be squelched a bit by people being able to look up and fact-check all the really stupid stuff I’d hear.
That didn’t pan out, and in fact, I wonder if Gen Z will be one of the very most reactionary “generation” to come down the pike. Boomers got a lot of shit despite a lot of them pushing leftward very hard when they were young, and now I’m hearing lots of dumb things about Gen X and Gen Y (and people in the Gen X age bracket falling for “but mah expensive bacon” I kind of get - both age groups are perhaps in the place where they are caring for older parents AND younger), but Gen Z?
WTAF. I mean they are very, very young, and they broke right? When donnie was the option? I seriously do think the Youtube/Tiktok effect is being seen here…
I think with young voters the main difference is they think voting is a cool thing to do regardless of party. They still are very susceptible to the media bubbles, but I’m not sure either party has the advantage there.
I saw both sides of tiktok for republicans and democrats, and it was like they paid the same viral marketing campaign because they followed the same templates.
Short clips, out of context, along with a quick message leading you to the right conclusion. Not a whole lot different than the radio and TV ads.
Ah yes, economic anxiety. That’s why racism and misogyny.
But they felt poor! That’s what is making them so rapey and weird! I mean, eggs cost what, $100 each now?
The thing is: Biden and the Democrat Party made them this way!
What do you know. Turns out progress (in corporate hands) brings us back to the 18th century.
Good luck to all the women in gilead. May the lord open or whatever the fuck you say out there.
Under his eye?
20% of Americans voted for him because he told them it’s ok to be a rapist.
Chat, are we fucked?
Bruh, I hate this timeline.
I feel like I accidentally triggered some portal and walked into a TV show / movie.
Nothing feels real anymore.
It was December 21st 2012. The Mayans were right. A timeline ended and were falling into some clown mirror black hole ever since or something.
I thought everything went crooked the day Harambe died
Tbh, for me, I’m realizing it’s triggering a sort of sea-change in terms of how I, as a citizen, want to interact with American society.
Laws, ethics, human dignity and empathy clearly aren’t important to people here. Money and power are. This is fully incongruent with my personal beliefs in a variety of fundamental ways. I’ve tried to aim my career at areas that are going to help better society - that’s a big part of why I work at an oncology-focused biotech now. But like… I’m faced with the realization that this country just doesn’t share my values, and doesn’t actually care that I willingly take markedly less compensation than, say, working at Meta, and it’s primarily because I want to make the world a better place.
I admit it’s starting to feel like an abusive relationship. I don’t think the world is going to become a better place in my lifetime. It’s going to get a lot worse in a lot of ways. My initial reaction was to begin taking steps to just fully fuck off from this country, and find someplace else with a society that hasn’t fully eaten itself. Try to keep my sanity and ethics in one piece by finding a new society to call home that’s not America.
But I ALSO have begun to realize in the last couple days that there’s another darker path I could take that denys the society I’ve honestly come to resent pretty strongly the my true capabilities and abusive consumption of my efforts: Malicious compliance. I could just fully jettison my ethical guidelines and engineering principles and simply min/max the absolute fuck out of comp and just retire early. Work for Meta or OpenAI or some health insurance company or whatever the fuck is the absolute most lucrative job I can find and just fully shoot for leadership metrics, not really fucking caring about the toxicity of the management class, the morale or well being of my team, the impact my work has on society, the quality, reliability, and integrity of the code I ship, or any of that ivory tower crap I’ve previously held as crucial elements to my profession. Stop trying to move the needle in the right direction. All gas, no brakes. If this country is determined to not give a fuck, why should I? Why shouldn’t I try to get to a place in my career where I can just retire, or do whatever I want without worrying too much about the personal consequences, because I can just fuck off at my own discretion due to money?
And the second, darker option has the added benefit that I wouldn’t have to essentially abandon my family here, who are definitely not considering moving away as seriously as I am. My parents are both not in the best of health; maybe I should try to at least spend some more time closer to them before I just fuckin leave - or at least, as long as I can stand it here before the “fuck off and leave” route is truly the only viable option.
When I have gone through this thought process lately, I’ve concluded that even if I plan my life in the most cold robotic way possible, my mental health and general well-being are at their best when I am compassionate towards those around me.
So first you must ask yourself what your true goal is. Do you want to “win” some shallow materialistic version of life? Or do you want to help others, or just be happy regardless of what it takes? Then that helps inform later decisions.
My automatic assumption has always been that saving everything, retiring early, and being a recluse was my path to a happy existence. It’s just what I felt I wanted to do. I bet I’m not alone there.
But then I had the great luck to have COVID come around and fuck up my career and finances in a few different ways. Now I’m stable again at work and my finances are a disaster, but I’ve waded through so much shit mentally that even though big retirement account balances feel great, that’s not what creates real joy, contentment, and even optimism.
…In my brain anyway. It’s like we all have slightly different owners manuals but we don’t get a copy of it and have to reverse-engineer it. In my case I had some things I cared about a lot get torn away, but I still had my family, and I realized that without that stuff that got taken away I was still the same person and was just fine. That definitely flipped a switch or two. Well, that and a grueling couple years dialing in medications, lol. Anything that helps!
I do understand what you’re saying. But at the same time, the foundation of the premise you’re presenting begs the question “do I still consider this society worth saving”? And quite frankly, I can no longer give an unambiguous “yes” to that question. THAT is what I mean when I say the result of this election has made my sense of misanthropy spin wildly out of control.
Oh yeah I get that. The disbelief and disappointment are off the charts for me.
But to continue my train of thought, what’s worked well for my mental state is to give myself permission to focus on the small scale and those close to me rather than (justifiably) dwelling on the fucked up state of society at large.
So instead of worrying about whether society is worth saving, I worry about whether my own sanity is worth saving, and by extension whether it is worth trying to have a happy and fulfilling life. And that’s not just being selfish. It’s equivalent to putting on your own oxygen mask on an airplane before you help others. With my head on straight, I can help improve the lives of those around me, and that is not only worth it but feeds back into making my own life and mental state better.
And from time to time I also like to remind myself about how insane it is that we even exist, that clouds of matter formed billions of years ago in supernovae were able to coalesce and form self-aware brains. It just makes me more interested in learning about existence and the universe.
And when I point that attitude towards the fucked up things in society and the world, it certainly doesn’t make those things better. I think about how I am watching significant history being written, and I can at least be an engaged witness even if I can’t change the course of that history. Though I do try where I can, and of course vote accordingly.
That’s a really healthy and rational way to unpack the situation. I’ll have to give it some more thought. For what it’s worth, thank you for sharing that.
I appreciate the reply. Thanks for the discussion!
Cue restrictions on the freedom of movement of women. To “protect” them, of course.
Weren’t the Gilead states [1] already doing measures like that under Biden? I thought people (sheriffs, deputies, “concerned” citizens) were watching certain roads that led to free states like Colorado.
[1] I still chuckle at a certain poster on Denver Post forums that would whine every single time I used that phrase, claiming there was no such thing. I’d ask him if he didn’t think his own con movement and Republican Party weren’t striving for exactly that kind of treatment. He never had an answer of course. But he’d go whining to the mods about it and how unfair it was to point out their own agenda.
“whether they like it or not”
Dude literally said he was gonna “protect” women whether they liked it or not. I took him at his word, but clearly a lot of women didn’t.
Clearly a lot of men heard what he really meant by that and liked it.
I mean… yes and no. Pretty much exactly the same voted for Trump this time compared to last time. 11 million less people voted for Harris compared to Biden in 2020. This was a lot of things, but it was much less of a GOP victory than it was a DNC loss. Once again: world fucking champions at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
But Biden is a man. I wonder how many of the 11 million opted out for just that difference alone. Hard to ever know, I guess.
Yeah, that’s the other thing that baffles me. Like, don’t get me wrong - I wish it wasn’t the case, but the American electorate is clearly racist and sexist. So what does the DNC do? Nominate (or really, designate) a non-white lady. 🤦♂️
I totally get this. I wonder if they will be this fucking stupid the next time around, assuming we still have elections.
When Biden was not stepping down at first, I was like, well, we are fucked. Then he selected her and I thought the same. Then she came out of the gate and it was like the dawning of a new day, especially when she picked Walz and my hopes went up. Then they started hemming Walz in, and she started tacking to the right?
For real they should have just straight up picked Walz as the nominee. He was WAY better at connecting with normal people than Harris was. And he was a white dude, which in America, translates to “a viable candidate”.
LPT: I’m not opening this shit. I’m holding my family close. I’m gonna work my job. I’m gonna exercise and get sleep. I’m gonna stay healthy. I’m gonna vote in 4 years for a better president.
But I’m not going to turn my guts into knots over shit I cannot change. I’m not going to let the noise bury me.
Voting won’t save us. Not trying to throw a wrench in your plans to stay healthy and happy. But true mutual aid is what is most necessary now. Voting is what got us into this mess. Incrementalist politics will not save the climate, will not save us from fascism.
It’s the hard truth that the ownership class has brought to our lives. It’s the logical outcome of capitalism. This is sort of the endgame. We fight now. Relying on voting alone only enables more of the same. We’ve been trying to vote as long as the system has been around. And it’s led us here.
Voting is most likely still part of they way forward. Most of your comment is true, but as long as we have a democracy we have to vote.
Not voting is what got us into this. Harris turnout was lower than Biden’s. Trump turnout was about the same as last time. Don’t ever tell people not to vote. It’s too easy to for us not to take advantage of it.
This is sort of the endgame. We fight now.
What’s your plan to overthrow the government, in practical terms? How many casualties are acceptable? Do you even have a plan? Or are you just trying to vent?
It’s not about overthrowing the government. Local action to protect vulnerable peoples, mutual aid. The US Govt can’t be “overthrown.” But local enacting of harmful policies can be stopped.
That’s kinda the problem with the US. People can’t just all travel to the centrally located capital. Look at how the republicans have continually tried to “send it back to the states” where they can wash their hands of, say, outlawing abortion. Focus on your area, find mutual aid groups to support those being harmed by these laws. That is how you can effectively fight creeping fascism. They can put down one centrally located demonstration no problem. But they would have a much harder time fighting every town. (Psst This is also good advice in your own town. Spread out, and be more effective. Move around, don’t stay all together. Not when you’re acting, and not when you’re fleeing)
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Sorry but that’s bullshit and is harmful.
Voting is quintessential to getting us out of this mess and trying to downplay the power of voting is only beneficial to those currently in power.
There are many actions to take beyond voting, but there is one very specific reason trump is president right now: his people voted.
Fascism is taking over and people are saying that they are planning to do nothing and let evil triumph. If you intend to sit on your ass for the next 4 years, you’re in the way of progress.
Its the will of the people my friend. Americ a isnt the good boy you think it to be.
Next election is in two years. Don’t forget midterms. Make sure you’re informed about local elections too. They can make more of a difference to you, and they also get people into positions they can move upward from.
Great reminder. Always tracking state and local.
I just can’t allow myself to fall into paralysis over “who” our country actually is. THIS. This is who our country actually is.
I’m gonna vote in 4 years for a better president.
Just like they vote against putin and orban.
Dark.
Let’s hope the system holds well enough to oust.
That is assuming he doesn’t declare himself king, and there is still a vote.
There is NOTHING he can break the we cannot fix! NOTHING!
Be sure not to forget to vote in two years for House and senate.
And every single local and state level election.
